WI: No French Algeria

POD: 1830

Somewhat cooler heads prevail in the court of Charles X after the whole Fly Whisk affair happned, and instead of a full bore invasion and occupation of Algiers the French forces simply smacked around the Dey's military and fleet until word of the July Revolution came. While the victory was popular there were not enough troops to occupy the place even with Hussein Dey's authority limited to Algiers itself, so instead the government of Louis-Philippe presented the Algerians with a slightly punitive peace treaty (Extraterritoriality of merchants, personal responcibility for any privateers in the area, members of the dey's household as "guests" of the French Court, Catholic churches in the main ports, that sort of thing). To thier credit, the Kingdom of the French also lumped in a payment plan for the unpaid debt that started the whole mess.

When the revolution of 1848 rolled around there were a few ex-pirates who hoped to start attacks on the Second Republic's shipping (on the basis that thier agreement was with the French king), but the Vizir Abdelkader instead consulted with Prince *Farouk (who had spend much of his formative years in France) on presenting the government of Louis Napoleon with a new treaty. The primary change beyond tone was one of mutuality (Algerian merchants had the same perks in France as French ones had in Algeria, construction of Mosques in Marseille authorized, etc) and as everyone in Paris had other things to worry about it was approved with no argument beyond reducing everyone's extraterritorial status.

(of course had the people in Paris known about the treaty being hammered out between London and the ministers of the man who had begun styling himself the Grand Duke of Algiers they may have put up more of a fuss)

Now what?

HTG
 

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Well, for starters Algerian Women don't suffer a huge step back in rights and education the French Occupation caused, and Algeria as a whole will eventually like Egypt, break away from the Ottoman Empire as a Kingdom in its own right.
 
POD: 1830

Somewhat cooler heads prevail in the court of Charles X after the whole Fly Whisk affair happned, and instead of a full bore invasion and occupation of Algiers the French forces simply smacked around the Dey's military and fleet until word of the July Revolution came. While the victory was popular there were not enough troops to occupy the place even with Hussein Dey's authority limited to Algiers itself, so instead the government of Louis-Philippe presented the Algerians with a slightly punitive peace treaty (Extraterritoriality of merchants, personal responcibility for any privateers in the area, members of the dey's household as "guests" of the French Court, Catholic churches in the main ports, that sort of thing). To thier credit, the Kingdom of the French also lumped in a payment plan for the unpaid debt that started the whole mess.

When the revolution of 1848 rolled around there were a few ex-pirates who hoped to start attacks on the Second Republic's shipping (on the basis that thier agreement was with the French king), but the Vizir Abdelkader instead consulted with Prince *Farouk (who had spend much of his formative years in France) on presenting the government of Louis Napoleon with a new treaty. The primary change beyond tone was one of mutuality (Algerian merchants had the same perks in France as French ones had in Algeria, construction of Mosques in Marseille authorized, etc) and as everyone in Paris had other things to worry about it was approved with no argument beyond reducing everyone's extraterritorial status.

(of course had the people in Paris known about the treaty being hammered out between London and the ministers of the man who had begun styling himself the Grand Duke of Algiers they may have put up more of a fuss)

Now what?

HTG

What do France do with Tunisia and Morocko?
 
What do France do with Tunisia and Morocko?
In 1830? More or less the same as OTL (little to nothing).

Neither the Husainids of Tunis (still Ottoman Vassals at this point) nor the Alaouites of Morocco were blind to the need for giving up the corsair thing and plugging themselves into the European diplomatic network as much as possible.
 
In 1830? More or less the same as OTL (little to nothing).

Neither the Husainids of Tunis (still Ottoman Vassals at this point) nor the Alaouites of Morocco were blind to the need for giving up the corsair thing and plugging themselves into the European diplomatic network as much as possible.

So no invasion of Tunisia in 1880 then.
 
If Algiers, Tunis and Morocco all stay largely independent and plug into the European alliance and trade networks, that brings very interesting prospects. They would probably develop at a similar rate economically to Spain, Portugal and south Italy, and probably be involved in democratic reforms and/or revolutions on a European timescale. This would probably mean a more common understanding between Christendom and (some) Muslims much earlier, due to both European exposure and Muslims being considered more advanced. Could Algeria have an industrial revolution? Could Morocco be a (minor) player in colonial spheres?
 
Oh, somebody will have invaded Tunisia (and the rest of North Africa) by 1890. No guarantee it will be the French though-in fact, with no French Algeria, I'd say the Italians are the most likely candidate.

I agree. The Italians would like to control all of North Africa, due to their Mare Nostrum strategy. But thet didn't get started in Libya until around 1911...but of course if other territories are "vacant" they might start earlier.
 
Would the Italians be able to pull it off, though? Their OTL colonial adventures in Ethiopia around the same time were disastrous, and from some reading I did earlier this spring on the Italo-Turkish war of 1911 I gathered their victory in Libya was actually a pretty close thing. I have no idea what sort of defense Tunis could have put together, but is it possible that ITTL the Italians get humiliated at Tunis instead of at Adwa? (the delicious irony of a modern-day "Roman Empire" being humiliated at Carthage would give this timeline added awesomeness!)
 
Would the Italians be able to pull it off, though? Their OTL colonial adventures in Ethiopia around the same time were disastrous, and from some reading I did earlier this spring on the Italo-Turkish war of 1911 I gathered their victory in Libya was actually a pretty close thing. I have no idea what sort of defense Tunis could have put together, but is it possible that ITTL the Italians get humiliated at Tunis instead of at Adwa? (the delicious irony of a modern-day "Roman Empire" being humiliated at Carthage would give this timeline added awesomeness!)

True...massive defeat for the Italians at Adwa.....But Adwa was not before 1896....the POD here is earlier.....so maybe the Itaians will have a focus much closer to home. This will support the Mare Nostrum idea, and should also be an easier target, than Abyssenia.
 
It is possible that France may make a much stronger play for NZ with a 1830 POD, as that predates any official moves to formalise things between GB and the Maori iwi. IOTL French settlement started and ended in 1840
 
The Italians might not even bother with Tripolitania if they manage to grab Tunisia. Wasn't Tunisia part of their main colonial objective in OTL anyway? Without a major French presence in North Africa, would this make Italian Tunisia more or less likely?
 
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