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So, basically, assume that the Western Allies don't withdraw from the purple zone in the map following the end of WW2 (perhaps through increased fortunes in the later fight against the Germans). The Soviet occupation zone is considerably smaller. Therefore, Stalin, doubting the economic viability of an East German socialist puppet state, decides to go whole hog on his expulsion of the Germans from Eastern Europe and extends the deportation effort to Brandenburg and Saxony. Poland ends up annexing Brandenburg and perhaps all of Berlin, while Czechoslovakia annexes Lusatia and Saxony, greatly improving its mining industry through control of all the Ore Mountains. No DDR equivalent is estabilished, albeit the USSR still props up pro-communist groups in Germany proper, with varying success.
I ask, is this scenario at all plausible?
How would Poland and Czechoslovakia enact their cultural assimilation policies in regards to remaining Germans in their territories?
How does this affect the political landscape of Germany, Poland, and Czechoslovakia?
 
Neither the Poles nor the Czechs want any significant number of ethnic Germans inside their borders. You now have literally millions of ethnic Germans being displaced - would the Soviets force them over the border to the US/UK/French zones? The death toll will be large, as no matter what simply having enough tents to keep these folks out of the weather given how the housing stock in Germany was pretty well trashed. Also feeding all of the refugees would be a huge task. To the extent there are any ethnic Germans left in the expanded Poland and Czechoslovakia you can expect that forced assimilation would be going on from day one - no German language schools, no translations in to German of laws, notices etc - outside the home it would be Polish/Czech or nothing.
 
Neither the Poles nor the Czechs want any significant number of ethnic Germans inside their borders. You now have literally millions of ethnic Germans being displaced - would the Soviets force them over the border to the US/UK/French zones? The death toll will be large, as no matter what simply having enough tents to keep these folks out of the weather given how the housing stock in Germany was pretty well trashed. Also feeding all of the refugees would be a huge task. To the extent there are any ethnic Germans left in the expanded Poland and Czechoslovakia you can expect that forced assimilation would be going on from day one - no German language schools, no translations in to German of laws, notices etc - outside the home it would be Polish/Czech or nothing.
Given how crowded rump Germany could become in this scenario, could this lead to more favourable conditions for the "Nakam" Jewish terrorist group to execute its "revenge" plan?
 
Could the USSR spread the 15 million or so german across Eastern Europe and the USSR? I mean, staking was the undisputed master of Eastern Europe at he time l, i’m Sure he could achieve it during his lifetime... but it would cause problem later
 
Could the USSR spread the 15 million or so german across Eastern Europe and the USSR? I mean, staking was the undisputed master of Eastern Europe at he time l, i’m Sure he could achieve it during his lifetime... but it would cause problem later
No way, after WW2 nobody in Eastern Europe wanted to be caugh with a german minority inside their border. With the exception of Romania of course.
 
I was thinking more about doing it inside the ussr

Sort of an operation Vistula type of thing, move them around a spread them out totally so they can't form specific minority areas, maybe in cities in Asia or Siberia where the link to Germany proper is very far and they would constitute a minority? Interesting. I doubt they'd go for it, but it isn't totally implausible.
 
(1) It is not terribly plausible that Stalin will want to create a unified capitalist Germany filled with even more millions of bitterly anti-Communist refugees--when instead he can use the Germans in the Soviet zone (whatever its borders) to help "build socialism" there, have a state which at least will be a bargaining chip in negotiations with the West, etc.

(2) Czechoslovakia in 1945 was not even a Communist nation yet; it was still ruled by a genuine coalition government. It seems extremely unlikely that Stalin is going to let it have huge amounts of German territory. In OTL, he wouldn 't even let it have Lusatian Sorbia: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...n-from-germany-post-wwii.316434/#post-9173514
 
Well Stalin can simply give East Germany more territory in the east, that version of the border come late, originally Poland will have received less land and East Germany retain at least Stettin
 
The OTL population transfers are the single largest instance of population transfers in history, about 15 million people were uprooted from their homes and a couple hundred thousand likely died of exposure along the way. Any more people than OTL on the move would severely strain the logistics of the allied occupation zones.

Stalin had no qualms about massive deportations and population transfers, but there are limits to the stalinist methods that the west would tolerate, especially at this point. Stalin still expected France and Italy to elect communist majorities at this point in the early postwar period, uprooting even more people will cause severe economic dislocation. The USSR had a postwar famine in Moldova OTL, this kind of thing could just be worse if there are more east germans on the move who need to be fed, especially for propaganda pieces. This could ruin the GDR's showpiece status a reformed fascist regime turned perfect liberated state.

If East Germany gets a disproportionate amount of the expellees, then the end of communism will be the beginning of an ugly relationship between the East Germans and Poland, if not a border war then at least a diplomatic shouting match. Germany's acceptance of the Oder-Neisse line is pretty exceptional in history, that kind of unilateral burying of the hatchet is by no means inevitable. The people calling for the return of expellees in this scenario could easily be a large portion of the political spectrum, rather than a fringe like OTL.
 
If Germany keeps Silesia (the original Glatzer Neiße border), maybe with Poland getting a chunk of Pomerania, half of East Prussia and keeping Lwów, this *DDR would be perhaps even in a better shape than OTL one, and everyone woul at least as happy as in OTL. Stalin would have the borders of both USSR and DDR positioned more eastwards, but without knowing our history, what could he complain about?
 
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