WI: No Church Bells

Been reading that in early christian times (300-500) Bells were still seen as vaugely heathen, and only in 604 did the pope officially sanction them. How would the world change if ringing bells had kept its heathen 'identidy', and not entering Christian religious tradition?

first thought off the cuff would be less efficient european Cannons due to lack of experience in forging big bells for churches, but otherwise?
 
It could have a very important consequence on how time is percieved, and eventually used as for social organisation.

See, bells eventually were used for marking religious practices, asking to have an eventual more precise take on time. It evolved on mechanical time appearance, more widespread bell and timemarking, rivaling eventually with civilian bells (in towns, critically) and organisation of work along hours rather than by task or day, eventually going on a more objective (or tentative to it) division of time and work.

It would probably appear nevertheless of course, but would require a bit more systematisation, and technological/social tweaking than IOTL.
 
See, bells eventually were used for marking religious practices, asking to have an eventual more precise take on time. It evolved on mechanical time appearance, more widespread bell and timemarking, rivaling eventually with civilian bells (in towns, critically) and organisation of work along hours rather than by task or day, eventually going on a more objective (or tentative to it) division of time and work.

The best that i can tell the use of Semantron's was developed semi-independently somewhere in the Othodox sphere (bit uncertain if it was in the orient or somewhere in Byzantine Balkans) somewhere early 600s. So they could easily be imported into Catholic use at some point afterwards replacing (at least to a certain extend, could evole into use of iron plates being hit with mallets, effectively evoling into a gong) OTL use of bells, giving them something at least superficially similar (at least in the religious uses) yet leaving Europe lacking in forging large 'complex' bells.
 
It would be still a major change. Time counting was a Public time : at first ecclesiastical time as it could be heard miles away, in town or countryside, being eventually imitated by secular powers (as municipal authorities).

Semantron, while a really good idea there, would be far less...well noisy, and wouldn't rythm public life (and eventually work) as it did IOTL, and while mechanising semantron would concerns less people hearing it could form smaller working structures maybe going to an earlier work specialisation (TBH, changes could be really less importants, but I wouldn't rule out consequences on both proletarisation and industrialisation)
 
Weren't church bells very important for the European development of cannons? Bellmakers had a unique set of skills in precisely engineering metallic structures, and their expertise is part of how Europeans were able to not only adapt cannons from Arabs, but mass produce and improve on the design.
 
Weren't church bells very important for the European development of cannons? Bellmakers had a unique set of skills in precisely engineering metallic structures, and their expertise is part of how Europeans were able to not only adapt cannons from Arabs, but mass produce and improve on the design.

I don't really think it was that necessary : Arab mettalurgical technology brang most features for that. The main difference with European cannon was the use of metal projectiles instead of stone during the XVth century.
The presence of bell foundries probably spared some time for getting used to it, as well the equipment presence, but apart from that...
 
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