WI No Battle of Britain, Later War Against the USSR, Not Allied With Japan

Suppose that, Nazi Germany, after taking over France, focused the sole of its energy in Africa and the Middle East, and does not ally with the Japanese.
 
this would all work if it werent for the fact that this was nazi germany ruled by the nazi party and led by nazis

which is important since nazis were a group of mentally disturbed socially inept frustrated crazy people with a longterm grasp of reality comparable to that of a 13 year old bible reading homeschooled evangelic
and hitler didnt like rusia
so not much chance of a later war with sssr

no realy all such question can have many answers derived from warious historical facts regarding strategy and tactics and geopolitics, but the fact is most of what germany did wrong it did wrong because it was nazi germany, and as such it foloved an agenda totaly unalinged with objective reality, or rather in a rational way of thinking it would be top priority to ocupy the midlle east oil fields and north africa, but not in hitlers mind, in his wersion of reality top priority is to show heroick effort in killing azian hordes of the evil red empire, the siberian oil fields were more of an ecsuse
 

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this would all work if it werent for the fact that this was nazi germany ruled by the nazi party and led by nazis

which is important since nazis were a group of mentally disturbed socially inept frustrated crazy people with a longterm grasp of reality comparable to that of a 13 year old bible reading homeschooled evangelic
and hitler didnt like rusia
so not much chance of a later war with sssr

no realy all such question can have many answers derived from warious historical facts regarding strategy and tactics and geopolitics, but the fact is most of what germany did wrong it did wrong because it was nazi germany, and as such it foloved an agenda totaly unalinged with objective reality, or rather in a rational way of thinking it would be top priority to ocupy the midlle east oil fields and north africa, but not in hitlers mind, in his wersion of reality top priority is to show heroick effort in killing azian hordes of the evil red empire, the siberian oil fields were more of an ecsuse

My eyes! My eyes!

Seriously, such wit would be more effective were it allied to a stronger grasp of the rules of grammar.
 
Its simple really. Remove the Nazi's hatred of Communism, and their need for "living space", and you dont have Nazis anymore. What you have then, I have no idea.
 

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Suppose that, Nazi Germany, after taking over France, focused the sole of its energy in Africa and the Middle East, and does not ally with the Japanese.

They get their ass kicked. Africa was a logistical nightmare for the Reich. They never had sufficient lift to truly mount a major offensive, the lacked aircraft with sufficient range to control the sea lanes, they lacked a large enough surface fleet to defeat the RN, even the fraction stationed in the Med and they lacked any reason to be their screwing around in the first place. Conversely, the British had easy access to the region, easy access to reinforcement from the Empire, and control of all the critical bits of the region.

Africa & the Middle were about as important to the Reich as Antartica. It was an utter sideshow, drain on resources that could not be made good, and generally what you get when you let a junior noncom with serious mental health issues run your army.

BTW: How do you avoid the BoB? The Brits are going to bomb the snot out of Germany, regardless of what the Luftwaffe does, so is the proposal to get torn to shreds without reacting?
 
Africa & the Middle were about as important to the Reich as Antartica. It was an utter sideshow, drain on resources that could not be made good, and generally what you get when you let a junior noncom with serious mental health issues run your army.
Well, taking Abadan and Suez out will be most severe blows to the Empire, but (1) it is complicated logistically, especially Abadan and (2) Brits will still fight, relying on American resources (painfully obvious fact by the Spring 1941).
 
with no loses in the BoB couldnt the luftwafe do a beter job in fighting of the RAF bombing rades?
 
BTW: How do you avoid the BoB? The Brits are going to bomb the snot out of Germany, regardless of what the Luftwaffe does, so is the proposal to get torn to shreds without reacting?

Without America in the fight, not likely. If anything the Brits get their asses handed to them in the air.

Then there are other things which I won't go into here as even I have a hard time accepting these documents as genuine even though General Patton himself wrote on the originals...

Somethings are best not known, because if the documents Patton captured in Czechoslovakia are true, then we haven't heard the worst of Nazi Germany or their wunderwaffen projects.
 
Without America in the fight, not likely. If anything the Brits get their asses handed to them in the air.

Then there are other things which I won't go into here as even I have a hard time accepting these documents as genuine even though General Patton himself wrote on the originals...

Somethings are best not known, because if the documents Patton captured in Czechoslovakia are true, then we haven't heard the worst of Nazi Germany or their wunderwaffen projects.

Sounds like if you got hold of these documents the pages would be stuck together.:rolleyes:
 

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Without America in the fight, not likely. If anything the Brits get their asses handed to them in the air.

Then there are other things which I won't go into here as even I have a hard time accepting these documents as genuine even though General Patton himself wrote on the originals...

Somethings are best not known, because if the documents Patton captured in Czechoslovakia are true, then we haven't heard the worst of Nazi Germany or their wunderwaffen projects.


The RAF did very nicely pounding Germany for 2 & a half years before the USAAF even began operations (they put 1100+ aircraft over Cologne in June of 1942, it was late August before the FIRST B-17 appeared over FRENCH skies).

As far as whatever documents you have that Patton found in the Czechoslovikia, I ask the same thing as asked when you made some rather startling assertations in a WW I thread: Please provide links or journal references to scholarly investigation and verification of these documents. WW II is a particular area of study of mine, and I am always interested in some new discoveries. Of course, when I asked for this in the WW I thread you disappeared from the thread, hopefully, this time you have some actual data.
 
A later war against the USSR would have been a disaster. When the Germans invaded in 1941 the USSR already had more tanks and were making better ones (t-34), but at the time they were just then redeploying Tanks into actual Tank divisions before that the Soviet tactics called for mass assualts of combined arms (Tanks, Infantry, Calvary, Artillery). It was now or never when the Germans invaded. Unless they were able to produce atleast a couple nukes a year, and if Hitler had nukes, then the earth probably wouldn't be habitable today.
 
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