abc123
Banned
Thanks.
And who could be such person?
Sergei Witte seems to me as a man that would secretly like parliamentary system....
Maybe some influence of british royal family?
WI Nicholas II decided make big reforms in Russia earlier?
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Thanks.
And who could be such person?
Sergei Witte seems to me as a man that would secretly like parliamentary system....
Maybe some influence of british royal family?
abc123
Banned
Relations with Britain
Recent annexation of Khiva and Bukhara was not well liked in London. London, allready for decades in race with Russia for influence in Central Asia has seen that as another proof of russian expansionist designs for Central Asia and Afghanistan, and later for western China and maybe India.
So, allready not so good relations deteriorated further.
Nicholas was pretty worried because of this, he didn't wanted conflict with Britain now, but on the other hand he didn't want to allow their meddling in Central Asia.
After consultations with Witte and other ministers and generals, they decided that negotiations with Britain are the best solution, but that any major Russian concession would have to be well payed by Britain.
So Nicholas ordered that russian ambassador in London baron Egor Egorovich von Staalb ( he vas ambassador there from 1884 ) be replaced with new ambassador that will be his envoy for talks about Anglo-Russian understanding.
Old ambassador in Netherlands Karl von Struve was named as a new ambassador of Russian Empire in Court of St. James.
He was instructed to carry a Czar's letter to Queen Victoria where he calls her and British Goverment headed by new Prime Minister Robert Cecil, Marquess of Salisbury for a Anglo- British talks about settling open issues between two Empires.
Recent annexation of Khiva and Bukhara was not well liked in London. London, allready for decades in race with Russia for influence in Central Asia has seen that as another proof of russian expansionist designs for Central Asia and Afghanistan, and later for western China and maybe India.
So, allready not so good relations deteriorated further.
Nicholas was pretty worried because of this, he didn't wanted conflict with Britain now, but on the other hand he didn't want to allow their meddling in Central Asia.
After consultations with Witte and other ministers and generals, they decided that negotiations with Britain are the best solution, but that any major Russian concession would have to be well payed by Britain.
So Nicholas ordered that russian ambassador in London baron Egor Egorovich von Staalb ( he vas ambassador there from 1884 ) be replaced with new ambassador that will be his envoy for talks about Anglo-Russian understanding.
Old ambassador in Netherlands Karl von Struve was named as a new ambassador of Russian Empire in Court of St. James.
He was instructed to carry a Czar's letter to Queen Victoria where he calls her and British Goverment headed by new Prime Minister Robert Cecil, Marquess of Salisbury for a Anglo- British talks about settling open issues between two Empires.
abc123
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Triple Intervention
After Japanese victory in Chinese- Japanese War where Japan get lease on Liaodong Peninsula, Russia was very unhappy with that.
But also other powers were not pleaset with that.
So Russia made a agreement with France and Germany to make a pressure on Japan to back down from Port Arthur and to return that teritory back to China and as a compensation to get a larger indemnity from China.
So Japan get another 450 millions yen of indemnity, and Russia get a withdrawal of Japanese forces from Port Arthur.
Russian Army get orders to occupy Port Arthur from Japanes soon after they left the area, and russian ambassador in China get order to make agreement with Chinese Empire forcing China to lease Port Arthur to Russia for 99 years and giving a concession to build Manchurian Railway, a branch of Transsiberian Railway, to connect TSR with Port Arthur.
After Japanese victory in Chinese- Japanese War where Japan get lease on Liaodong Peninsula, Russia was very unhappy with that.
But also other powers were not pleaset with that.
So Russia made a agreement with France and Germany to make a pressure on Japan to back down from Port Arthur and to return that teritory back to China and as a compensation to get a larger indemnity from China.
So Japan get another 450 millions yen of indemnity, and Russia get a withdrawal of Japanese forces from Port Arthur.
Russian Army get orders to occupy Port Arthur from Japanes soon after they left the area, and russian ambassador in China get order to make agreement with Chinese Empire forcing China to lease Port Arthur to Russia for 99 years and giving a concession to build Manchurian Railway, a branch of Transsiberian Railway, to connect TSR with Port Arthur.
Arrix85
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I guess if you want this to be truly ATL, you have to avoid russian involvement in WW1, if not less than 20 years of reform won't let the Tsars avoid the revolution. Maybe if the talks with the British fail to achieve the 1907 agreement (keeping the relationship a low-intensity rivalry), Russia could not join the Entente (saving itself).
Or maybe this is too much "hindsightvium".
Or maybe this is too much "hindsightvium".
abc123
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Well, problem with that is that Germany wants to defeat Russia while she can.
And if Russia doen't back France, if/when Germany defeats France, Russia will stand alone against Germany and A-H and Japan...
And that's too much enemies.
abc123
Banned
Well, all of that is true. But, the very existance of Russia as a enormous power east of Germany is danger for Germany. Germany would prefer astring of buffer states like OTL in 1918.
Also, that buffer countries would sell food, oil, coal, raw materials to Germany.
And German alliance with A-H is also a way to come in conflict with Russia.
And for now, Nicholas II doesn't want ANY war, with ANYONE...
But, some things will go it's own course....
Situation in Balkans is very fragile...
Arrix85
Donor
Probably this is too ASB, but since the Tsar doesn't want to do war with anyone (so I guess He wouldn't risk a war with Japan, caused by the OTL's russian ambitions over Korea?)...
Nicholas II couldn't try to make commercial agreements also with Germany? Russia has a quite sizeable german minority ( going back since Catherine's days) and many nobles are of german origin. He could try to woo German investements for the Transiberian railroad ( appealing to them as a way to access commercially the Pacific avoiding the Suez canal) .
yeah, maybe this is a bit much.
Nicholas II couldn't try to make commercial agreements also with Germany? Russia has a quite sizeable german minority ( going back since Catherine's days) and many nobles are of german origin. He could try to woo German investements for the Transiberian railroad ( appealing to them as a way to access commercially the Pacific avoiding the Suez canal) .
yeah, maybe this is a bit much.
abc123
Banned
Not at all...
Germany had a big influence on Germany in 18 and 19 Century, half russian technical terms are german...
So, it isn't impossible to think that german companies invest in Russia, and Minister for Railways is preparing a 20 railway projects for concessions for foreign companies and banks to build in Russia...
I expect many foreign companies will accept.
So that will allow redirection of many russian funds for railway construction into Transsiberean Railway.
About Japan, some sort of Russo- Japanese understanding is indeed in Czar's head...
abc123
Banned
Siberia
As construction of railways, especially Transsiberrean Railwas required many workers, and Russia had not enough money for paying them, Czar ordered that all prison sentences longer than 1 year and all political prison sentences should be served in Siberea in labour camps and also that death penalty should, as much as possible, be replaced with life-long hard-labour penalty in Siberea.
So, many new workers will assist in construction of Transsiberean Railway and other railways.
As construction of railways, especially Transsiberrean Railwas required many workers, and Russia had not enough money for paying them, Czar ordered that all prison sentences longer than 1 year and all political prison sentences should be served in Siberea in labour camps and also that death penalty should, as much as possible, be replaced with life-long hard-labour penalty in Siberea.
So, many new workers will assist in construction of Transsiberean Railway and other railways.
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abc123
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Universities
Czar decided to return old academic authonomy of universities that existed during his grandfather's reign.
Rectors of universities were to elected by University Assembly where students will have several representatives.
Also, previous descision that persons of ignoble origin cannot be admitted if they are not extraordinarly talented is reversed.
Czar ordered that one new university should be opened each year in some of gubernya capital cities.
So, for 1897. opening of Nizhny Novgorod Imperial University was announced and a Perm Imperial University was planned for 1898.
Czar decided to return old academic authonomy of universities that existed during his grandfather's reign.
Rectors of universities were to elected by University Assembly where students will have several representatives.
Also, previous descision that persons of ignoble origin cannot be admitted if they are not extraordinarly talented is reversed.
Czar ordered that one new university should be opened each year in some of gubernya capital cities.
So, for 1897. opening of Nizhny Novgorod Imperial University was announced and a Perm Imperial University was planned for 1898.
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abc123
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Death of young lawyer
With Czar's descision that all prison sentences longer than 1 year should be served in Siberea in construction of Transsiberean Railway, bug shift of prisoners from European Russia began to the Siberrea.
One of them was young lawyer Vladimir Illyich Ulyanov, sentenced for 5 years because of organising a secret workers organisation.
During transport in Siberrea ( mostly by foot march ) Ulyanov tried to escape in forest, but he was shot dead by some anonymous gendarme.
With Czar's descision that all prison sentences longer than 1 year should be served in Siberea in construction of Transsiberean Railway, bug shift of prisoners from European Russia began to the Siberrea.
One of them was young lawyer Vladimir Illyich Ulyanov, sentenced for 5 years because of organising a secret workers organisation.
During transport in Siberrea ( mostly by foot march ) Ulyanov tried to escape in forest, but he was shot dead by some anonymous gendarme.
What? No reactions on death of Lenin?
Obviously, this is huge. What happens to Djugashvili and Trotsky?
abc123
Banned
We will see...
IMO, death of Lenin shouldn't have bigger concequences on history...
Problems of Russia are more than only Lenin.
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abc123
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Expanding Zemstvos
The Czar decided to expand Zemstvos ( gubernya assemblies ) into all gubernyas and decided that they will be elected ( in new and old gubernyas alike ) so that:
- poor landowners ( peasants ) peasants without land will elect 20 members
- rich landowners ( nobility anc clergy with >600 acres of land ) will elect 20 members
- poor city population ( workers ) will elect 20 members
- rich city population will elect 20 members
So, interests of rich and poor wee pretty balanced.
Many in that time predicted that future election law for Duma will be pretty like this system, and that this Zemstvo elections are a general-test for future Duma elections.
The Czar decided to expand Zemstvos ( gubernya assemblies ) into all gubernyas and decided that they will be elected ( in new and old gubernyas alike ) so that:
- poor landowners ( peasants ) peasants without land will elect 20 members
- rich landowners ( nobility anc clergy with >600 acres of land ) will elect 20 members
- poor city population ( workers ) will elect 20 members
- rich city population will elect 20 members
So, interests of rich and poor wee pretty balanced.
Many in that time predicted that future election law for Duma will be pretty like this system, and that this Zemstvo elections are a general-test for future Duma elections.
abc123
Banned
New railways
New railways are in planing in Russia. Ministry for Railways has decided to issue a international tender for concessions to build 20 new railway lines.
Map of new lines in european part of Russian Empire ( lines in violet )
New lines in asiatic part of Empire: ( bold- Transsiberean railway in construction )
So, new railways will not take money from Imperial Treasury, and will help development of Empire and employing of the people. One of provisions in contracts will be that at least 50% of material used in construction must be from Russia.
New railways should be built within 5-10 years, and companies will have concession upon them on next 30- 50 years.
New railways are in planing in Russia. Ministry for Railways has decided to issue a international tender for concessions to build 20 new railway lines.
Map of new lines in european part of Russian Empire ( lines in violet )
New lines in asiatic part of Empire: ( bold- Transsiberean railway in construction )
So, new railways will not take money from Imperial Treasury, and will help development of Empire and employing of the people. One of provisions in contracts will be that at least 50% of material used in construction must be from Russia.
New railways should be built within 5-10 years, and companies will have concession upon them on next 30- 50 years.
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