ThePest179
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The vote to ratify the US Constitution in New York was pretty close IOTL (30 in favor, 27 against). What if the vote had went the other way?
Wow. New England separated from the rest? This makes secession of New England incredibly easy.New York was 11th state to ratify the US Const.
The constitution went into effect after #9, New Hampshire ratified. So it really does not matter too much, the Articles of Confederation was replaced by US Const after New Hampshire ratifies it.
So would have New York participated in the new government? Is that the what if? Could New York survive on its own? And what would it be like to have New England and then the rest of the mid-atlantic and southern states?
I imagine there would be a political crisis followed by a slew of attempts by the new Congress to address the concerns of whatever portion of the New York political scene is necessary to ratify. Eventually they will succeed and New York will ratify. The interesting question is exactly what changes are made to the Constitution before then.
I should think New York loses big in the long run if they don't eventually ratify. The Erie Canal that made NYC the second greatest city in the world today (after London) was federally funded. Without that the city is just another port on the Atlantic Seaboard.
I should think New York loses big in the long run if they don't eventually ratify. The Erie Canal that made NYC the second greatest city in the world today (after London) was federally funded. Without that the city is just another port on the Atlantic Seaboard.
I imagine there would be a political crisis followed by a slew of attempts by the new Congress to address the concerns of whatever portion of the New York political scene is necessary to ratify. Eventually they will succeed and New York will ratify. The interesting question is exactly what changes are made to the Constitution before then.
The only changes they would have to make to get New York to ratify would be the ones they made in OTL--the enactment of a Bill of Rights.
I should think New York loses big in the long run if they don't eventually ratify. The Erie Canal that made NYC the second greatest city in the world today (after London) was federally funded. Without that the city is just another port on the Atlantic Seaboard.
Would an ATL be possible where New York (state and city) eventually begrudgingly ratifies the fourth draft of the Constitution -the one with the many special provisions and clauses to deal with the cities special wishes- but still remains a 'difficult' place to deal with for the rest of the country?
The only changes they would have to make to get New York to ratify would be the ones they made in OTL--the enactment of a Bill of Rights.
Would an ATL be possible where New York (state and city) eventually begrudgingly ratifies the fourth draft of the Constitution -the one with the many special provisions and clauses to deal with the cities special wishes- but still remains a 'difficult' place to deal with for the rest of the country? Could federal projects like the Eerie Canal bypass the notoriously difficult New York in favor of more supporting cities like Boston or Philadelphia? (or Baltimore, Charleston and Savannah?) I would like to see an alternative USA where Nantucket is a 10+ milion city leading the world in finance and industry while New York is just a tourist stop on the way to Atlantic City
Stop ruining these threads.