WI Netherlands Join the CP. and the butterflies for that

Well, like the OP said, WI the Kaiser during the Savarejo Crisis(Franz Fernidand assassination) and the consequence put in work of the Schlieffen Plan, ask to the Netherlands an alliance in the war in change for Belgium Territories(Flanders and maybe wallonia too) and maybe some colonies in the victory(like co-dominum of the Congo or some similar).

What Impact will have in the first phase of France Invasion?(now the German will have more troops because the Netherland will help with the control ol belgium)

How will be now the Pacific Teather(because the Dutch East indias are a lot of inlands and that maybe can make some interesting butterflies with the japanesse)

Maybe will have a serious backlash in the newly born by Blood and Iron South Africa(because remember a lot of Afrikaneer are ethic Dutch and that will have a impact in their moral)

can help the CP in long turn or now Netherland will suffer a 'versallies-like'


well i excepct the comment, that was some interesting when i start of think about
 
If the Dutch throw their lot in with the Germans...

>The Dutch army was antiquated and unprepared and have marginal front line use at least at the begining.
>Dutch East Indies are divided up between Japan, Australia and the UK after the war wraps up in their favour.
>Dutch shipping is either sunk or impounded in port by the allies destroying its economy.
 
Wonder how many Japanese troops the British can get in return for the Dutch East Indies? My guess is a few hundred thousand men will arrive...
 
One probably could see a lot of 'cat and mouse' cruiser actions in Indonesia since Graf Spee can tie up Anglo-French material there. A German-Dutch force can scrabble across and around that huge archipelago for months, probably making a direct raid or two on northern Australia.
 
Could possible see ANZAC troops much more in the pacific and consequently for them, probablly no 'Galipoli' (either the campaign or the resulting legend of).
 
Guys

One bad thing for this I think is that since the Dutch will no longer be neutral they will be included in the allies blockage. OTL the allowance of limited controlled trade with the Netherlands allowed some seepage of goods to Germany.

The extra forces required to suppress the Dutch Indies and fight a slightly worse situation in Belgium/France would be a probable for the allies but possibly not a great one. As Lord Brisbane says this could delay the Gallipoli campaign, possibly to a time when better planning or landings elsewhere are more useful. Or the ANZAC and the British troops used get fed straight into the western front quagmire.

Probably going to be a bad reaction, both by the allies and other neutrals to the Dutch back-stab of their neighbour, especially with the history of the period of common rule after the Napoleonic wars. Presuming the allies still win there is likely to be the loss of the Dutch colonies and also Belgium seeing border improvements. [If you still get a rise of fascism in Germany then a disgruntled Netherlands might see similar activity and possibly even a desire for some Dutch fascists for union with Germany, although probably unlikely given the Netherlands longish history of proud independence]. A lot of that could be butterflied however as so many variables. Not sure such an intervention would be that popular with most of the Dutch population either as its plunging them into a bitter and savage war for no real gain.

Steve
 
One bad thing for this I think is that since the Dutch will no longer be neutral they will be included in the allies blockage. OTL the allowance of limited controlled trade with the Netherlands allowed some seepage of goods to Germany.
Well, that was significantly hampered by the Entente powers, who weren't that stupid. Don't forget that the Dutch were themselves also somewhat reliant on foreign trade; it would also be very bad for them.

Unless, ofcourse, the CPs do manage to win the war early on, though that wouldn't really be with much help from the Dutch (more butterflies than anything). I wouldn't think the Netherlands would gain all that much from it, and it will only antagonise every entente power (having bad relations with both the English and the French is what the Netherlands has tried to avoid ever since its inception, I might add), leading to much bigger ties with Germany.

Though I would wonder what would happen in the case of an entente victory. Distribution of colonies is a given (Suranime split between the French and British, I'd think, and St Maarten given to the French, and Indonesia carved up as mentioned above), but perhaps the entente powers would also like to give partes of the Netherlands to Belgium for whatever reason (it's not as if they hold back when it came to Germany).
 
The Netherlands had nothing to gain from an alliance with the Central Powers, as Belgium always had been troublesome from them, during the period of the United Kingdom. The Dutch did not even want to reunite with the former Southern Netherlands, but were more or less forced to it by the Victors of the Napoleontic age, as they wanted a big buffer around France, theoretically capable of taking the first blows, if France again was on a rampage policy.

Any Alliance, either with the Central Powers, or teh Entente, was a disadvantage for the Dutch, as the economy would always be at risk, either by an Entente Blockade and capture of the Dutch East Indies, or by direct invassion from Germany, if allied to the Entente. Dispite the Dutch Army was of some reasonable size, around some 350,000 men in all, it was poorly equipped and certainly not trained in modern warfare. Germany could simply have overpowered the poorly armed Dutch, who especially lacked artillery.

In Naval terms, the Dutch Navy was a second rated navy at best, but actually quite well equipped for peacetime duties and colonial service. It was not a fighting navy and could not have stopped any agression of a modern power at sea, although the Dutch were possessing some interesting submarine designs already, but lacked the funds to construct more than a very few of them.

So the only real alternative was neutrality at all costs. Under no circumstance, other than being attacked by a hostile power, would the Dutch abbandon their neutrality.
 

HJ Tulp

Donor
The Netherlands had nothing to gain from an alliance with the Central Powers, as Belgium always had been troublesome from them, during the period of the United Kingdom. The Dutch did not even want to reunite with the former Southern Netherlands, but were more or less forced to it by the Victors of the Napoleontic age, as they wanted a big buffer around France, theoretically capable of taking the first blows, if France again was on a rampage policy.

Any Alliance, either with the Central Powers, or teh Entente, was a disadvantage for the Dutch, as the economy would always be at risk, either by an Entente Blockade and capture of the Dutch East Indies, or by direct invassion from Germany, if allied to the Entente. Dispite the Dutch Army was of some reasonable size, around some 350,000 men in all, it was poorly equipped and certainly not trained in modern warfare. Germany could simply have overpowered the poorly armed Dutch, who especially lacked artillery.

In Naval terms, the Dutch Navy was a second rated navy at best, but actually quite well equipped for peacetime duties and colonial service. It was not a fighting navy and could not have stopped any agression of a modern power at sea, although the Dutch were possessing some interesting submarine designs already, but lacked the funds to construct more than a very few of them.

So the only real alternative was neutrality at all costs. Under no circumstance, other than being attacked by a hostile power, would the Dutch abbandon their neutrality.

Exactly. You need some other POD.
 

The Vulture

Banned
A lot more action in the South Pacific, for sure. Japan, Australia, France, Siam, and the Royal Navy will be major players.
 

Larrikin

Banned
Germany starves faster

A lot of American food imports, both north and south, went through the Netherlands to Germany as well as a variety of other materials. Take this route out and it makes it easier for the RN to enforce the blockade as they don't have to worry about the shipping going to the Dutch ports.
 
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