With a PoD anywhere between 1500 and the defeat of Nepal by British East India Company forces in 1816, how could we craft a scenario in which the Kingdom of Nepal, or an equivalent under a different dynasty, controls an empire in northern India?
(Mainly, i'm aiming for Nepalese control over Oudh, Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Bihar, Sikkim, and maybe Bhutan and parts of Tibet.)
 
I think... a Nepalese could, but the empire would very quickly become a North Indian empire where the ruling dynasty is from Nepal and its not particularly likely that Nepal would be the capital or even a very important part of the empire so considering it wouldn’t have a particularly Nepali character calling it a Nepali empire might be a bit dodgy. One fairly easy prospect is a Nepali alt Sher Shah Suri that takes over the Mughals as per otl.
 
Assuming a PoD after 1800, who would mega-Nepal ally with as a counterweight to British possessions to its south?
At this point the Marathas are the only real players they could ally with, although as tends to be the problem with Nepal, they’re pretty ringed in ,by the British at this stage.
 
So, WI Brits decisively lose Anglo-Maratha war 1803-1805, and Nepal as the major Maratha ally is the biggest winner?

If Holkar and Gaekwad join Scindia and Bhonsla they could probably beat the British and succeed in taking Delhi. In order to involve Nepal, the war needs to drag on for a while, or Nepal is too isolated to affect anything, but even otls war was too long for the home government and resulted in wellesley being called home. If they won, the Marathas would probably reinstate the Chattrapatis power over the Peshwa as he had betrayed them to the British, and re establish themselves as protectors of Delhi’s king. If the defeat was especially large, they could perhaps annex portions of Bihar, or force the British to downgrade their military and accept supervision and superiority of the Marathas. After that, and thus what happens if Nepal attempts to benefit from an alliance, depends entirely on how Maratha politics play out, whether there are emissaries from Napoleonic France, whether the British attempt to reclaim territory whether the madras presidency attempts to expand and a host of other things, but I think that just this one pod is not sufficient as it’s not in any way a major aim of the Maratha chiefs. It’s possible however that Nepal goes through a post Napoleon Prussia like militarisation in response to the slight enlargement of its territory due to the Bengal presidencies new weakness and with this pod, it could emerge as a real player in the north of the subcontinent by the 1830s.
 
If Holkar and Gaekwad join Scindia and Bhonsla they could probably beat the British and succeed in taking Delhi. In order to involve Nepal, the war needs to drag on for a while, or Nepal is too isolated to affect anything, but even otls war was too long for the home government and resulted in wellesley being called home. If they won, the Marathas would probably reinstate the Chattrapatis power over the Peshwa as he had betrayed them to the British, and re establish themselves as protectors of Delhi’s king. If the defeat was especially large, they could perhaps annex portions of Bihar, or force the British to downgrade their military and accept supervision and superiority of the Marathas. After that, and thus what happens if Nepal attempts to benefit from an alliance, depends entirely on how Maratha politics play out, whether there are emissaries from Napoleonic France, whether the British attempt to reclaim territory whether the madras presidency attempts to expand and a host of other things, but I think that just this one pod is not sufficient as it’s not in any way a major aim of the Maratha chiefs. It’s possible however that Nepal goes through a post Napoleon Prussia like militarisation in response to the slight enlargement of its territory due to the Bengal presidencies new weakness and with this pod, it could emerge as a real player in the north of the subcontinent by the 1830s.
Side note: Is there a timeline in which Britain loses the Anglo-Maratha War?
 
With a PoD anywhere between 1500 and the defeat of Nepal by British East India Company forces in 1816, how could we craft a scenario in which the Kingdom of Nepal, or an equivalent under a different dynasty, controls an empire in northern India?
(Mainly, i'm aiming for Nepalese control over Oudh, Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Bihar, Sikkim, and maybe Bhutan and parts of Tibet.)


Historically, Nepalese expansions were more successful towards Tibet than India (as a nepalese, we feared the malaria forests of south so we rarely ventured south). Also, most Nepalese had more ties to Tibet than India before the arrival of India friendly rulers. Even during the Newar periods of rule, the Licchavi were allied with the Tibetan Empire and historical documents suggest they were under them for a good 200 or more years. The Malla, while being Hindu rulers themselves, ruled over a majority buddhist kingdom in reality.

Anyways, in historical context, the reason the Gorkha lost with the british was due to having fought 3 simultaneous wars before hand (we invaded tibet and took Shigatse, were in a war with Sikkim, and were fighting the sikhs in gharwal). Our treasury was nearly bled dry and the people weary of wars. Not to mention that our leaders made the wrong decision to withdraw back to the border after having taken much of southern tibet, up to Shigatse (which led to war with the Qing army later on in the 3rd campaign after winter).

The Sino-Nepalese war with Qing was nearly disastrous due to the previous retreat of our forces from Shigatse(Xigaze; called Digarcha in Nepal) to our current border. Thus, when the Qing arrived and saw southern Tibet undefended and in near ruin, it became easier for them to take direct control of Tibet, as well as easier for them to attack us and they drove our forces as far as within 30km of Kathmandu(we did try to buy howlitzers from the British but they demanded trade concessions or they won’t deliver so that was a failure). Since both sides suffered heavy casualties, the Qing and Nepal agreed on a treaty to end the war and Nepal then turned to sikkim and the sikhs.
 
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Historically, Nepalese expansions were more successful towards Tibet than India (as a nepalese, we feared the malaria forests of south so we rarely ventured south). Also, most Nepalese had more ties to Tibet than India before the arrival of India friendly rulers. Even during the Newar periods of rule, the Licchavi were allied with the Tibetan Empire and historical documents suggest they were under them for a good 200 or more years. The Malla, while being Hindu rulers themselves, ruled over a majority buddhist kingdom in reality.

Anyways, in historical context, the reason the Gorkha lost with the british was due to having fought 3 simultaneous wars before hand (we invaded tibet and took Shigatse, were in a war with Sikkim, and were fighting the sikhs in gharwal). Our treasury was nearly bled dry and the people weary of wars. Not to mention that our leaders made the wrong decision to withdraw back to the border after having taken much of southern tibet, up to Shigatse (which led to war with the Qing army later on in the 3rd campaign after winter).

The Sino-Nepalese war with Qing was nearly disastrous due to the previous retreat of our forces from Shigatse(Xigaze; called Digarcha in Nepal) to our current border. Thus, when the Qing arrived and saw southern Tibet undefended and in near ruin, it became easier for them to take direct control of Tibet, as well as easier for them to attack us and they drove our forces as far as within 30km of Kathmandu(we did try to buy howlitzers from the British but they demanded trade concessions or they won’t deliver so that was a failure). Since both sides suffered heavy casualties, the Qing and Nepal agreed on a treaty to end the war and Nepal then turned to sikkim and the sikhs.
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