WI: Nazis Win the War - How Long Does the Holocaust Actually Last?

Once the Nazis had purged Europe of "untermenschen", they would probably turn their attention to other continents.
 
What I've read is even Hitler was able to win, he still wouldn't be able to occupy the US outright:

If the US were defeated, couldn't they ask the Germans to let them take in refugee polish populations?
 
What I've read is even Hitler was able to win, he still wouldn't be able to occupy the US outright:

It goes beyond that. Basically defeating the US in World War II was flat out impossible for ANY of the combatants (give the US a few years to build up and it becomes impossible for all of them). The best the Axis can hope for is making Europe a nut tough enough that no American president thinks invasion would be worth it.

If the US were defeated, couldn't they ask the Germans to let them take in refugee polish populations?

They might (I kind of doubt it unfortunately), but it wouldn't matter. Germany didn't just want the "lesser" populations out, they wanted them dead. While many hold up the Madagascar Plan as evidence against this, it really wasn't. Madagascar was chosen because it was assumed the hostile climate combined with an unprepared population would kill the vast majority of people sent there. Also, there's no real evidence that this idea even got anywhere past the roughest drawing board.

In addition, look at the hoops Jews had to go through to LEAVE Germany prior to WWII. Amongst other things they had to pay taxes years in advance just to get permission to leave. No, murder was always the goal, it just wasn't as blatant before the war.
 
Different levels of undesirables

To the Nazi's, the real undesirable racial/cultural groups, as far as I see, were the Jews and gypsys. They would be exterminated utterly--or as utterly as they could. I'd guess the early 1950's, and one part of the holocaust is complete--the extermination of the ones on the "wipe them out" list.

The Slavs were seen as subhuman; the holocaust would be ongoing in the sense of first reducing their numbers to a "desirable" level, and then treating them worse than any ante-bellum southern aristocrat treated his slaves.

The third part have to be a permanent part of the system, as defectives and homosexuals will keep showing up, and need to be wiped out. I suspect that defectives born later would be euthanized cleanly, like in one of Turtledove's books at a "Reich Mercy Center." (Not the Race series, the book that was a parallel to the collapse of the Soviet Union--can't remember the name.)

Of course, for generations, there would be the occasional "Jew hunt," if evidence was found or manufactured that someone's enemy has Jewish blood...
Likewise, homosexuality would be something to accuse someone of if you wanted them dead or out of power.
In this sense, the Holocaust continues indefinitely, even without a new target list. Having homosexuals on the death list might be enough to make creating a new "primary target" unnecessary, as they can be used as scapegoats whenever something goes very bad--traitors in high places, etc. (That also gives a chance to purge the Gestapo department that "missed the obvious perversions," or promote them when the "discover that X is starting to turn traitor...)
 
The holocaust continues until the US (or UK - the OP said the Reich went from Western Europe to the Urals) starts opening cans of instant sunshine on the Reich

If we're playing the no nukes game then it'll run and run, the Germans will always have to find enemies to blame / kill - it will be Arabs or Africans next (basically somewhere far enough away from the US that stops them interfering)
 
A lot depends on how its won.

If it's won by Nazis beating back Soviets and offering concessions in the west for peace, and without getting the US really involved, I suspect we'll see a switch from Jew-genocide to Slav-genocide to open up land in Eastern Europe for the victors- with that there won't be much need for the West- the Nazis would prob give back nearly all of France with some concessions (probably demilitarized zone and limitations on arms). It would take something for the Brits to accept that though- a major butterfly.

That's the only realistic Axis victory scenario I can think of- and I"m not even sure that's realistic.

You'd see a very sparsely populated Eastern Europe of mostly lower-class German farmers.
 
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