I don't think the Germans had rations for themselves, as the Nazis didn't want it hurting morale.

Exactly. As you will have noticed, I didn't describe the food situation of A-class citizens. Rations are for Bs. A-class people would be the Germans and neighboring, compliant Aryan countries, or very compliant non-Aryan countries on most-favored status. Note this is a generalization: within Germany there might be slave workers of D status (starving), within, say, very friendly and Nazi Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland generally A-class, there might be B-class ethnic groups on racial grounds; everywhere, common criminals might be ob B rations, if not C, etc.
The well-behaved Germans and very well-behaved Aryan allies would be the ones who can eat as much as they want.
 
Exactly. As you will have noticed, I didn't describe the food situation of A-class citizens. Rations are for Bs. A-class people would be the Germans and neighboring, compliant Aryan countries, or very compliant non-Aryan countries on most-favored status. Note this is a generalization: within Germany there might be slave workers of D status (starving), within, say, very friendly and Nazi Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland generally A-class, there might be B-class ethnic groups on racial grounds; everywhere, common criminals might be ob B rations, if not C, etc.
The well-behaved Germans and very well-behaved Aryan allies would be the ones who can eat as much as they want.
Indeed so, I meant that was the situation as it was during the war. As for Denmark, Norway, and Sweden... do you mean them as being Nazi-friendly or the Nazis being friendly to them? In the case of the Finns they were very wary of them but needed help against the Soviets, the Swedes had mixed feelings but didn't want to be invaded, while the Danes and Norwegians each resisted in their own ways. I do see the Germans being content to keep the Reichsprotektorate thing going with the Danes for a little bit, but they and the Norwegians were to be annexed as soon as practical. Probably will speed it up even sooner here... Denmark provided enough dairy product for itself and several million Germans and the Norwegians can bring in fish. I am just thinking about how it would be if they were not annexed. The Danes would be fine, but the Norwegians were poor and would probably suffer from the lack of international trade (they had the fourth largest merchant navy in the world before WWII) and the Finns would need to trade their minerals for anything they couldn't grow in their own land. Part of why Hitler supported them and heir expansion was that he had no desire for their land in the slightest bit. Probably the only ones in Europe so lucky. I wonder if there will be large subsidies for Class A citizens, taking care of their grocery bills to an extent. Might be it starts out as a program to feed farmers in the East when they are getting the first harvests in, but that it is expanded by corruption to include people without any relation to farm labor.
 
The best thing the subjugated people could hope for: That the nazis get fed up with having to kill / deport so many people. But do you want to speculate about that?
You mean in general or because we are having this world as a Hellscape? Not that I can think of any way Nazi Germany would be remotely pleasant for anyone outside of pre-war Germany. That INCLUDES all the Germans from outside of it. Not gonna be fun for them.
 
Indeed so, I meant that was the situation as it was during the war. As for Denmark, Norway, and Sweden... do you mean them as being Nazi-friendly or the Nazis being friendly to them?

Both. From the POV of the minor European countries, there is no survival otherwise; each will have their own Quisling government. From the POV of the Germans, these are brother Aryans.
 
The Reich killed over 15 million people and created actual murder factories. They planned to kill and enslave over 100 million Slavs.

I doubt they would lose their stomach for genocide considering the dedication/callousness with which they committed it IOTL.

In the actual objective reality, subject to the limitations of the human psyche and basic economics and logistics, etc... I have already commented to you before how I see this as an unrealistic argument in general.

But then, this is a thread with a certain rather well-defined theme, so I think I'll keep my realism out of it. As long as we are talking about "Nazi Europe as a Hellscape", what you are saying fits.
 
As long as we are talking about "Nazi Europe as a Hellscape", what you are saying fits.
It would be a hellscape for the groups they wanted to wipe out and those who rebel but it wouldn't be that bad for your average French, Norwegian, Dutch, Hungarian etc. It would be somewhat comparable to life in the Warsaw Pact.

Their quality of life wouldn't be as good as Germans living in the Reich itself but it wouldn't be Hell on Earth (if they go along with the status quo and don't draw attention to themselves). If you aren't a Jew, Slav, Gypsy, homosexual, Communist, dissident or disabled then you should be pretty much fine.

I wonder what life would be like in the Balkans though, especially in Croatia and Greece.
 
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The UK is obviously part of the Nazi European Union so their colonies are in. Nobody less than Churchill was in favor of conserving the BCE, even though moving it all towards Commonwealth more than Empire status. The Nazi British rulers will also want it all.

I can't see England being conquered. And I REALLY can't see England being conquered post Dec 7th, 1941, much less after Japan inevitably bites it. Hence Germany has access to the continental possessions of its conquests... mayyyybe some stuff in Africa and thats a pretty big maybe, since they literally have no way to stop the RN and USN from merrily sailing around the world and kicking out whatever garrisons they tried to set up. Likewise, there's no way Japan manages to survive as a member of the Axis post 1945-46. Anything in Asia is probably right due to logistical and economical constraints.
 
I often find Nazi wins timeline boring, they're alway the same. I have only found a few I like (like Murder in the Hitlerstadt). Sadly I think the problem is that people focus on a theatric evil and absolutism, which the Nazi did in fact lack. The evil of the Nazi while grand in scale, was extremely petty and mundane when we goes down to the smaller scale. The Holocaust was industrialized because the German bureaucrats found that while their soldiers was willing to commit the atrocities, it traumatized them and hurt the army's morale. The people who planned it, took a legalistic perspective and did their best to ensure the eradication of the Jews was legal. The Nazi also lacked the absolutism if the Kate Communist party, there was many actors who sabotaged the Regime's plans, ano the Regime had to regularly back down.

What really made Nazi Germany so incredible weird was the fact that, it was bunch of weird undisciplined amateurs, who lay the course, while a rational bureaucracy below them tried their best to make their plans into reality. In normal states there's someone in the top who limit the madness, and if not the bureaucracy us usual to incompetent to implement the craziness. But in Nazi Germany the crazy was implemented by rational bureaucrats.

The big problem with the Slavic Genocide is that it will happen in "peacetime" and the enormous scale. Simply put the German population will be unwilling to see several generation of young men return completely traumatized in peacetime, which will be the result if Germany have to murder 100 million Slavs, and death camps can't run fast enough to murder so many people. It's not because of the morale objections to genocide which will stop it, it's because the German population will be unwilling to pay the human cost (for Germans) of it.
 
I can't see England being conquered.

I have not said that or how it would be conquered, because I agree with you.
OTOH, if the premise is that there is a Nazi empire in Europe, then I don't see it existing if Britain (England and Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland) has been, if not outright conquered, at least defeated. If Britain is undefeated, then what we have is some slight variation to OTL until the final defeat of Germany, possibly by nukes, and the European Nazi Empire doesn't come into being.

"Defeated" might of course also mean that Britain just comes to terms with Germany, terms that initially seem somewhat reasonable, with not one German soldier setting foot on the Isles. Then, once Germany has complete hegemony on the Continent, has nukes, and the USA take up a new isolationist stance, Britain gets more and more hemmed in, until it sees no alternative but entering agreements with the Nazi Europäisch Verein. Nazism is seen as the winning philosophy all over the world, a British Fascist Party gains power, possibly even through democratic elections - and never leaves power. Britain joins the Verein as a full member.
 
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