WI: National Socialism for export?

In OTL, Hitler promoted National Socialism as a ideology only for Germans and their close relatives. What if the Nazis had set up a 'National Socialist Internationale' (incidently there actually was a 'Fascist Internationale' in OTL, so it's not so inconceivable) and actively encouraged other nations to follow the example of the 'National Revolution?' On top of this, they are more hostile to Conservative dicators like Petain or Franco and will demand that those who collaborate them follow 'true National Socialism'.
 
That's what he did with the SS IOTL. The problem with a full-scale international, however, is that Hitler's idea of international Nazism was international only in the degree and the fashion in which his Germany permitted it. The Nazi state simply didn't have the faculties or the mental ability to accept the Soviet-model international, and this reflects ideological differences in the systems. The Soviets, for that matter, didn't really reflect an "international", either, which is where the original version of "We were always at war with Germany, we were always at war with Germany" thing helped inspire 1984.
 
With different persons in power at some key some parts of the jungle that was Third Reich internal structure, the NSDAP/AO could have been altered towards some kind of an international umbrella organization. Yet the racial hierarchy really made National Socialism hard to export - "Join us in order to better serve your new Aryan Overlords" isn't exactly as catchy phrase as the calls for unity of oppressed toiling masses :rolleyes:
 
With different persons in power at some key some parts of the jungle that was Third Reich internal structure, the NSDAP/AO could have been altered towards some kind of an international umbrella organization. Yet the racial hierarchy really made National Socialism hard to export - "Join us in order to better serve your new Aryan Overlords" isn't exactly as catchy phrase as the calls for unity of oppressed toiling masses :rolleyes:

Not that the practice would necessarily be all that different. Stalin managed the difficult feat of creating an International that was really a global Soviet power-sphere and doing so without making it *too* transparent. Nazism, OTOH, considered subtlety a sign that the SS should shoot you, so it's not as likely to be anywhere near as successful, and I could see the Comintern using this as an opportunity to start backing the Nazis into a corner.
 
Fascism can never be international or 'exported,' it draws too heavily on each society's unique traditional cultural heritage. At best it can be imposed, but that's unlikely - both Hitler and Mussolini generally preferred to use normal, right-wing authoritarians in their puppet states when they could, and usually side-lined native fascist groups and movement until the very end of the war when they were let loose in a quite literal scorched earth tactic ('Oh, you're going to liberate Hungary? Well fuck you then, I'll burn it first!')
 

RousseauX

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You can't export National Socialism when the ideology is explicitly German in nature, unlike Communism which is explicitly international in nature.
 
You can't export National Socialism when the ideology is explicitly German in nature, unlike Communism which is explicitly international in nature.
Not really, Hitlerist National Socialism is geared entirely towards the German people, Strasserist theory however....
 
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