WI: Napoleon Dismembers Austria

Napoleon Dismembering Austrian Empire after Austerlitz is...

  • A Smart Diplomatic Move

    Votes: 42 36.5%
  • A Dumb Diplomatic Move

    Votes: 27 23.5%
  • A Little of Both

    Votes: 46 40.0%

  • Total voters
    115
But if Nappy is still doomed, would the Congress of Vienna, with a emboldened Prussia and Russia in attendance, actually push for a restablishment of Hapsberg hegemony over southern europe?

I think whatever duchys Nap carves out of a dismembered Austria would be ripe for the picking for Russia and Prussia.
 
Not sure at all Nappy would still be doomed.

If the Empire of Austria is partitioned, than the balance of powers is very different from OTL. Although he ruined his russian campaign, Nappy can win the german campaign of 1813. He was OTL suite close to do so, had he not made the mistake of temporizing in large part due to fear about what Austria might do.

And OTL Austria was far more decisive than Prussia in the fall of Napoleon. Prussia was just a junior partner in the coalition of 1813.
 
Could he do it yes, I'm not sure he could keep it that way. His best bet would be to divide it up by ethnic groups, biggest problem is what to do with Austria proper, the population would not be very compliant to annexation or a replacement leader, but if he leaves the Franz I in power he is also asking for a rebellion. As for giving territory to Prussia and Russia Napoleon might do it he wouldn't giving anything too important but they might get some border territory out of it, I doubt it would appease Prussia that much, they would still look for a chance to turn on him.
 
I think the most interesting thing hear is Napoleon setting up a quasi-independent Hungarian Kingdom. As we saw a generation later, with the decline of the Turkish threat, Hungary was beginning to wonder what the Hapsburgs were for? What did they do to them. Just as the Grand Duchy of Poland played on the national sentiments of the Polish people and would be remembered until 1918, a Napoleonic Hungary would be a genie the Austrians would have a very hard time putting back in the bottle. To a lesser extent the same can be said for creating an independent Kingdom of Bohemia.

Some one should write a Hungary or Bohemia wank TL for this.

I'd definitely read
 

abc123

Banned
Here's my proposal for dismemberment of Empire:

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Kingdom of Poland
Kingdom of Hungary
Kingdom of Illyria
Kingdom of Italy
Bavaria
Kingdom of Bohemia

and finally,

Archdutchy of Austria and Steiermark
 
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Here's my proposal for dismemberment of Empire:

l9ii91n66dz2wsedm7yn_thumb.png


Kingdom of Poland
Kingdom of Hungary
Kingdom of Illyria
Kingdom of Italy
Bavaria
Kingdom of Bohemia

and finally,

Archdutchy of Austria and Steiermark

I think the outlines for this proposal makes sense. Two things though. Would the other powers, not to mention Austria, ever go for it? Also, Napoleon would have to act different than OTL and not put his relatives on the thrones of these new kingdoms if they have any chance of working.
 
All he really needs is the coast. The rest he probably would want the Austrians to rent farm for him. Much like he did everywhere, where he had the countries pay for occupation troops, for battalions to contribute to his campaigns, and for the officers who abanondin end him once he had given them lands, money, titles, and everything to lose if they kept supporting him when the chips were down. Anyways, I think the borders would be fairly different, given how often they changed as he made countries into republics than kingdoms then traded the land around again.

I imagine he also does what he did IOTL, which was to to continue the policy in the Croatian Military Frintier to not draft the populace or tax them, but to keep them all Trainin Incase of war with the Ottomans. Maybe continue or expand it to the Slavonian, Banat, and Translyvanian ones.


Side note. In case of him breaking up Austria, most of the stuff from their churches, palaces, banks, etc end up either in the Louvre, in the mint, or in the jewelry box of Nappy's wife. Not sure if they kept robbing churches during the Imperial Era, but some clergymen wisely gave a sapphire talisman with two pieces of the True Cross (TM) to him when he showed interest. It had supposedly been taken off the body of Charlemege himself years before. It ended up as Josephine's bracelet during the coronation.


EDIT: Come to think of it, what about France, which had the same monarch as Italy, tried folding the Illyria into Italy?
 
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abc123

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I think the outlines for this proposal makes sense. Two things though. Would the other powers, not to mention Austria, ever go for it? Also, Napoleon would have to act different than OTL and not put his relatives on the thrones of these new kingdoms if they have any chance of working.

Well if he trashes Austria well enough on battlefield, he might pull it off. After all, I don't doubt that Hungarians wouldn't like to be independent or Poles for that matter...
To Croats it's all the same, if they are not under Hungary/Austria, Bavaria wouldn't mind to get new territory ( as in OTL ), and it only remains to find someone to become the King of Bohemia...
 
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