WI: NACA Modified P-38

This is your captain speaking.

Passengers expecting P-38s to arrive in Whip will be disappointed. It appears they've been diverted to The Last Dogfight and information was incorrectly updated.

We apologize for the inconvenience.:'(

(BTW, I did get the spitballing aspect.)

Oh, yeah: bump.
 
This is your captain speaking.

Passengers expecting P-38s to arrive in Whip will be disappointed. It appears they've been diverted to The Last Dogfight and information was incorrectly updated.

We apologize for the inconvenience.:'(

(BTW, I did get the spitballing aspect.)

Oh, yeah: bump.
What is this post good for?
 
Here is a very nice Youtube video of a recently restored P-38. It's been painted as Pudgy V. Click on the "Watch on YouTube" link and the video will run for you.


The quality of the video is very good. Especially the cockpit mounted camera giving the pilot's eye view of the flight. Experience the take off followed by some basic aerobatics then the landing. A question for viewers who likely have better hearing then me. Do you notice the sound of the turbochargers? Can you hear the sound they make winding down after landing?
 
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Credit Yeeky found on FaceBook

Randy
 
Credit Yeeky found on FaceBook

Randy
I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics of how that elevator works... 🤔

In other news: my working drive crashed and about 80% of the data is lost...including all of my work and research for this TL. I have some backups at home, I just hope they are current.

Talk about a gut-punch.
 

Driftless

Donor
I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics of how that elevator works... 🤔

In other news: my working drive crashed and about 80% of the data is lost...including all of my work and research for this TL. I have some backups at home, I just hope they are current.

Talk about a gut-punch.
Oh noooo!
 
Really it's the designs, drawings, construction block lists, performance charts, tables to calculate performance to build said charts (using all sorts of complex Excel calculations), and all the historic research and documents (NACA papers, Flight Instruction Manuals, etc) that I'm most concerned about. The narrative can easily be reconstructed via this thread. Everything else though...
 
I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics of how that elevator works... 🤔
Very very quirkily I'm sure :)

In other news: my working drive crashed and about 80% of the data is lost...including all of my work and research for this TL. I have some backups at home, I just hope they are current.

Talk about a gut-punch.

Oh no! Fingers crossed! (I'd cross the toes too but new shoes and all :) )

Randy
 
Bummer :(
Any hope in sending the hard drive to the data-recovery specialists?
Well, I'm working on recovering it. It looks like I should be able to most everything back with some data-recovery software but it'll have to wait until I have the extra cash to drop on the license (it's winter in an old house...we just got hit with about $800+ utility bill this month so we're trying to not buy anything outside the budget right now). My backup-backup 32 GB flash drive is also dead it seems so I'll have to hope I backed up recently to my secondary computer.

Then I'm buying a couple external SSDs.

Funny thing is, yesterday morning I said to myself "Hmm, I haven't backed up in a while; I should do that today." Then, I tried pulling it up at lunch and...nothing. Windows said the drive needed to be formatted (liar). I plugged it into a linux box and did some forensics and it looks like the partition tables, mbr (master boot record), and flash controller are bad. I tried rebuilding the partition tables and mbr but without the flash controller working properly there's not much I could do. Besides, it only listed about 1/5 (maybe less) of the files on the drive so I didn't want to risk corrupting everything else by re-writing it.

I'm hoping I can still get it in a week or two.
 
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I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics of how that elevator works... 🤔

In other news: my working drive crashed and about 80% of the data is lost...including all of my work and research for this TL. I have some backups at home, I just hope they are current.

Talk about a gut-punch.

Sorry to hear that. Off topic and not to derail the thread, but if you can remove the hard drive, look into a kit like this:


I have a version from Sabrent, and when the boot sectors of my hard drive failed several years ago, the I was able to recover my entire saved documents and programs from the bad drive..
There are 5-pin adapters to allow you to power the hard drive with an external power supply outside of the computer. You then have SATA or IDE adapters to plug it into a USB, and the computer you're plugging into will 'see' the hard drive as an external drive. From there you should be able to click and drag to move files from undamaged parts of the old drive to your new computer/drive.

I hope this helps....

Regards,
 
@EverKing That is a bad break alright. I hope you'll be able to recover your data. Did you have any recent lightning strikes in your near vicinity? Power surges being an infamous killer of computer hardware.

Computer hard drives and airfields come and go but golf courses seem to be eternal. Looking at Hempstead, Long Island on Google Earth one can see the golf course/ad hoc emergency landing field near where Mitchel Field used to be is still in business. Someone ought to put up an historical plaque at the area where Lt. Kelsey crash-landed the XP-38. Rename that particular hole the Kelsey Hazard or the Lockheed Languisher.
 
Sorry to hear that. Off topic and not to derail the thread, but if you can remove the hard drive, look into a kit like this:

I have a version from Sabrent
Haha, I am pretty sure we have the same one (or at least similar). Mine is a Sabrent as well. I am pretty sure I'll be able to get most of the data back--I've done it before for other people many times. My previous license for some recovery software has expired, thus the need to renew/buy new. Yesterday was just the shock of the realization that it dies just a few hours after I said I was going to backup.

Thanks for the all the kind words and recommendations everyone. I'll get it figured out in the next week or so.
 

ctayfor

Monthly Donor
No tech advice from me. I use a Toshiba Sattelite laptop I bought in 2008 which is running Vista. Best of luck getting all your data back.
 
84 years ago today, on February 11th, 1939, Lt. Ben Kelsey almost successfully completed the famous or infamous cross-country flight of the Lockheed XP-38. Unfortunately due to both engines failing Lt. Kelsey was forced to crash-land in a golf course just half a mile short of Mitchel Field. Any golfers out on the links must have been quite surprised when 6 tons of brand new cutting edge technology was suddenly and noisily deposited on the fairway. One could almost compare it to as if today somebody was forced to plunk down the cutting edge technology B-21 Raider in some pasture somewhere. With the crew surviving the crash landing but the aircraft being written off.

But the loss of the only prototype of the P-38 some 84 years ago was likely far more detrimental then losing a B-21 would be nowadays what with the B-21 program more advanced and well established then was the P-38 at that time.

The engine failures that afflicted Lt. Kelsey are usually attributed to carburetor icing. It must have been the perfect cold and dampish conditions to bring on carburetor icing in a turbocharged airplane. In a way having a turbocharger means that there is always some "carb heat" being applied. Even at low boost and low throttle settings while flying an extended landing pattern waiting for clearance to land the air going through the turbocharger on its way to the carburetors would have picked up some heat from the heated supercharger blades even if the air wasn't being compressed very much.

It's hard to see how you can bring about carburetor icing with a turbocharged engine. But, OTOH, Lt. Kelsey was forced to wait several minutes for landing clearance and would have been flying with the engines throttled back to just above idle in the cold and damp air of Long Island in mid-winter. I guess that must have been enough to cool the turbochargers enough that the air being blown through to the the carbs was chilled enough to freeze up and choke the carb's venturis.

Too bad the pilot didn't gun the engines a few more times while orbiting Mitchel Field. Or found some other way to nurse one or both engines enough to at least clear the trees lining the golf course. One can imaging Lt. Kelsey's relief if he had still been able to make the runway at Mitchel Field even with faltering engines. I can imagine the smile as he rolled out down the runway. If only.

The most important thing would've been not having the XP-38 prototype destroyed. After the successful completion of the cross-country flight the plan was for Lt Kelsey to deliver the XP-38 to Wright Field near Dayton, Ohio for further examination and flight testing by the Air Corp. I would guess that rigorous flight testing by the Army pilots would quickly reveal the P-38's problems as well as further demonstrate its advanced capabilities and potential. Even if the XP-38 would've ended up being lost in flight testing at Wright Field while being put through high speed dives I think that on the strength of the flight test results shown the P-38 program would receive greater support from the Air Corp. Then the XP-38 prototype, if still in existence or if not then a full size and aerodynamically accurate mock-up would likely be sent to the Langley wind tunnel facility by the end of 1939 for detailed examination. Resulting in a full 2 year head start over OTL on that long list of improvements the OTL P-38 required.

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In other news: my working drive crashed and about 80% of the data is lost...including all of my work and research for this TL. I have some backups at home, I just hope they are current.

Talk about a gut-punch.
:eek::eek::eek::eek:

I do know how that feels, though. (I've had it happen.) My deepest sympathies.
 
This is your captain speaking.

Passengers expecting P-38s to arrive in Whip will be disappointed. It appears they've been diverted to The Last Dogfight and information was incorrectly updated.

We apologize for the inconvenience.:'(

(BTW, I did get the spitballing aspect.)

Oh, yeah: bump.
I see I'm not the only Martin Caidin fan...
 
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