WI: NACA Modified P-38

Just a couple of points...

Feathering the prop might have been more important than the gear, but wasn't. What a break.
Still, rock 'em, sock 'em action right to the end. Good job.


That's what I was thinking too Just Leo when the right engine cut-out. First thing is to feather the prop. But on reconsidering the events I think that there was too much happening too quickly to do everything perfectly. The main thing is to fly the airplane.

In this particular circumstance I think our fictional Captain Heidinger had his priorities straight. He was running out of time and had to concentrate on lining up with the strip. No time to do that risky now required 2-handed prop feather as he's flying at low altitude which is no place to mishandle the controls. And he was by that time in a descent path so the plane is not losing airspeed as quickly so he can still deal with the greater yaw produced by the windmilling right prop.

All's well that ends well.
 
A note about running on one engine vs. two: I must have been looking at the wrong column in the tables when I previously said one-engine would save fuel vs. two.

The actual numbers are...
OTL, 2-Engine (1600 RPM, 21"Hg, 177 TAS, 42 GPH, @ Sea Level): 4.21 MPG
OTL, 1-Engine (2050 RPM, 33"Hg, 175 TAS, 55 GPH, @ Sea Level): 3.18 MPG
ATL, 2-Engine (1600 RPM, 21"Hg, 186 TAS, 42 GPH, @ Sea Level): 4.43 MPG
ATL, 1-Engine (2050 RPM, 33"Hg, 184 TAS, 55 GPH, @ Sea Level): 3.35 MPG


I think there may be other possible settings than are listed in the table. Generally the slower you fly the less drag is produced which should mean longer range. But if one flies too slow than there will be wallowing and mushing on the edge of a stall than the drag increases greatly because of the burbling airflow coming off the top of the wing.

What I have in mind is what if we fly the P-38 at 145 TAS on one engine? That's above stall speed and single engine minimum control speed. What would the single engine settings need be for that speed? About 1800 RPM with 21 inches of boost maybe. If it is only drinking 30 GPH at 145 MPH that is about 4.8 miles per gallon. You're golden providing you don't have a head wind.

Now it's true that the numbers I'm proposing are speculative. I don't know what the actual engine settings and fuel consumption would be for that airspeed so I'm roughly extrapolating (guessing). I do believe that there are other possible engine settings not covered in the table.
 
Ch.23d - After Thursday, Epilogue (Oct 43)
19 October 1943
HQ, 8th AF
High Wycombe, England


Most post operation analyses were completed by report. For Mission 115, being the first deep penetration raid with round-trip escort, Gen. Eaker called the commanders of VIII Bomber Command and all three Fighter Wings (65th, 66th, and 67th) together with his staff and theirs for an in-depth look at the operation.

The mission plan had unraveled by the time the bombers were leaving their hardstands. Weather delays and mechanical failures reduced the number of bombers able to leave and one bomber from the 3rd Air Division crashed on takeoff (CTO), killing all ten crew. The weather further impacted assembly, delaying the bombers and loosening their formation during the initial penetration. Only two groups of the B-24’s of the 2nd Air Division were able to assemble at all and instead of going on their briefed route to the target they took the route of the planned diversionary force (which failed to materialize) over the North Sea and made an ineffectual attack on the Frisian Islands.

One Group of P-47s met each bomb division for their routes into the Netherlands and Belgium. They met light opposition from fighters identified as elements of the Luftwaffe’s 26th Fighter Wing out of Abbeville. They claimed six destroyed for one loss but a second Thunderbolt crash landed on its return and was written off.

The 1st Air Division had what was, by all considerations, a banner day. In all the 1st, 40th, and 41st Combat Bombardment Wings sent up a combined total of 149 B-17’s. While several aborted, the vast majority of them, 136, were Effective on Target. At the end of day, only nine failed to return (FTR)—two lost to enemy fighters on the way to the target, one lost to Anti-Aircraft over the target, and six lost to fighters on the return. Two of the returning Fortresses of the Division were Damaged Beyond Repair (DBR) and another 29 made it back with moderate to severe damage (RTD). They suffered 90 MIA from the missing aircraft, while on the others 15 were wounded and two KIA.

The 4th, 13th, and 45th Combat Bombardment Wings of the 3rd Air Division had a rougher time. While their way into the Target was only lightly contested with 131 of 142 sent Effective on Target and only a single loss on the way in, they suffered three down to Anti-Aircraft fire over the target. On the return trip they were hit hard by large groups of enemy fighters and with the escort forces badly depleted by that time, many of the enemy were able to get through to the bombers. In all, 13 bombers failed to return and three returned damaged beyond repair—one of which crashed and killed two of its crew. Another 52 of the returning B-17s from the Division suffered moderate to severe damage and these ships carried home nine more wounded and one returned with only three crew aboard, including one KIA. Not including the 10 killed during takeoff, 3rd AD casualties amounted to 137 MIA, 13 WIA, and seven KIA

Combined the 1st and 3rd AD suffered a loss of 21 A/C missing, 1 CTO, 5 DBR, 81 RTD, of the 292 set to fly on the mission, meaning better than 90% would be able to return to the sky. Total casualties were 217 MIA, 28 WIA, and 9 KIA. In exchange, the bomber gunners had submitted claims for 127 E/A Destroyed, 23 Probably Destroyed, and 51 Damaged—likely inflated numbers but they were under review for credit assignment.*

Post raid photography of the target showed that two of the ball bearings factories were completely destroyed and damage was sustained to almost all industrial infrastructure in and near the primary Aim Points. The bomb spreads were incredibly accurate for the 1st AD as they had a clearer target and reported the flak as merely “Moderate” in both intensity and accuracy. The 3rd AD were not quite as effective, but they were faced with bombing through a heavy smoke screen and the smoke from the 1st AD damage while facing what was almost unanimously reported as “Intense-Accurate” flak.

Both Bomb Divisions, but especially the 1st AD, credited their success and relatively low loss-rate to the presence of the P-38’s from the 78th Fighter Group.

Anderson’s work with the 65th Fighter Wing and the command staff of the 78th Fighter Group ensured that all 80 P-38’s were available and operational to sortie. This included the formation of a composite squadron of 78th FG HQ pilots, 82nd Fighter Squadron pilots, as well as four men each from the 338th FS / 55th FG and the 77th FS / 20th FG all flying 55th FG P-38’s. Six of the planes had to abort early and another three aborted before rendezvousing with the bombers but since they had passed into enemy airspace these three pilots were credited with a combat sortie.

As soon as they met the bombers near the German border they were intercepted by Enemy Aircraft, identified by Intelligence as components of the 1st and 26th Fighter Wings. From there almost all the way to the target they were under an heavy weight of enemy aircraft coming in waves never more than 15 minutes apart. These attacks included extensive use of aerial rocket-propelled mortars and even included attempts by the enemy to drop aerial bombs from a variety of aircraft including night fighters and dive bombers.

Their only reprieve was after the 1st AD made their turn south to set up for the I.P. until after the 3rd AD came off the target, about 40 minutes. During this fight into the target several P-38s were lost and more had to abort due to battle damage, mechanical issues, or were simply separated from the Group and returned alone. The 78th reported that 55 A/C were still with the bombers at the Target.

At this time, due to higher than planned fuel consumption, about half of the group returned with the 1st AD while the other half waited to escort the 3rd AD, as originally planned. After leaving the target both groups were hit, in succession, by large masses of enemy fighters—identified as components of the 11th Fighter Wing. Most of the Groups’—both bombers and fighters—losses occurred during these attacks.

Weather interfered again in the closing stages of the mission when it prevented the planned P-47 and Spitfire escorts from meeting the bombers and leading them out of enemy airspace. This left the much depleted force of P-38’s, many now critically low on fuel, as the only escorts available for this part of the journey.

However, after the approximately 20 minutes of repeated enemy fighter attacks off the target, no more enemy air opposition was met. Intelligence analysts estimated that most likely the German fighter defense forces were by that time used up and had been rendered combat ineffective by the P-38’s escorts.

In total, the 78th Fighter Group lost 11 aircraft, had two ditch in the Channel—Royal Navy SAR was able to recover one of the pilots—and another crash-landed on the return, Damaged Beyond Repair. In addition, 17 of the other returning Lightnings were Moderately to Severely damaged. Eight A/C had to land at alternate or emergency Airfields, with five of these making it only as far as Manston. Personnel losses amounted to 11 MIA (including one each from the 77/20 and the 338/55), 2 KIA, and 5 WIA. Among the wounded was Lt.Col. Herbert Johnson, C/O of the 77th FS /20th FG and among the missing was Maj. William May from the 82nd FS / 78th FG.

In exchange for their losses, they racked up an impressive tally of victories in what one pilot described as a “Target Rich Environment”—the Airman’s polite way of saying they were outnumbered.

The pilots of the 78th (including the several from 20th and 55th) submitted the following claims (Type: Destroyed/Probable/Damaged):

FW.190: 17/5/6
Me.109: 14/3/7
Me.110: 11/2/5 (incl. Me.210)
Ju.87: 6/0/1
He.111: 5/2/3
He.177: 5/0/2
Ju.88: 4/1/2
FW.200: 1/0/0
FW.189: 1/1/0

In total, this amounted to claims of 64 E/A Destroyed, another 13 Probably Destroyed, and 26 Damaged. Including the Probables, this put the 78th’s Victory:Loss ratio at 5.5:1. Many of these claims were still under review and being investigated, considering the tendency to over claim, but Intelligence was already estimating at least 40 of the claimed destroyed are accurate. When combined with the total claims from the bombers the 8th AF aircrews were claiming 191 E/A destroyed.

Many pilots submitted claims for multiple kills as well, including a replacement pilot and combat rookie from the 84th FS who claimed 3 destroyed and one damaged. Certainly one of, if not the, best starts for any combat pilot in the 8AF to date.

The honor of highest tally, however, belonged to an HQ/78 Pilot from the Transition Squadron, Capt. Donald Hilgert, who had seen extensive action over North Africa and the Med with the 27th Fighter Squadron, 1st Fighter Group. Capt. Hilgert’s final tally of claims was 6 Destroyed, 1 Probable, and 2 damaged—a tally which earned him a recommendation for a fourth Distinguished Flying Cross.

Two of the claimed kills, and one probable, from the 78th came from a P-38 fighting alone to defend a damaged 91st BG B-17 against as many as seven Messerschmitt Bf.109s and were confirmed by the bomber crew. The After Action Reports of the both the fighter pilot and the Bomber crew agreed on the details, time, location, and order of the action and this prompted VIII Bomber Command to also give two confirmed kills to the bomber crew based on the 78th Pilot’s account.

The pilot, a Captain James A. Heidinger—another one of the 78th FG’s “Transition Pilots” assigned to HQ/78 to share his MTO experience with the group—had an additional 2 1/3 confirmed kills (the 1/3 shared with his flight leader and the top turret of an un-identified B-17), and second probable, and 3 other E/A damaged through the duration of the mission. This tally, combined with his 2.5 victories from his six months with the 82nd FG in North Africa, earned him a second Distinguished Flying Cross.

The consensus of the After Action reports and debriefings was that an early cannon hit on Capt. Heidinger’s A/C had, unknown by the pilot, damaged his Oxygen supply which ran out shortly after leaving the target. This forced him to separate from the group and fly alone at low altitude where he eventually met the damaged B-17, a 323rd Squadron plane with a 401st Squadron crew, being attacked by the E/A. Even though he knew he was running low on fuel and his aircraft was already damaged, he took the initiative and attacked the German fighters, outnumbered 7:1, and saved the bomber. The bomber eventually made it back, all the way to Bassingbourn, on two engines with 2 WIA but incredibly no KIA. Capt. Heidinger’s C/O, Lt.Col. Stone, had submitted a recommendation to award Capt. Heidinger a Silver Star for this selfless action.

The 78th reports indicated several reliability and mechanical issues but the actual failure rates were similar to what was being experienced by other types of the A/C in the theatre, notably the P-47’s. Even with that, the bigger problem for the P-38’s was a lack of fuel. The command staffs of the three Fighter Wings would, in the future, work to better coordinate and disperse the escort duties on each leg of a mission so that the long-range escorts would be able to avoid enemy action until after their droppable tanks had been used. This will require that the penetration escorts accompany the Bombers deeper into enemy airspace before the target escorts take over—easily accomplished by ensuring the penetration escorts are also always fitted with external fuel tanks.

The final assessment of the mission was that it had been a resounding success for the bombers and had proved that P-38’s were viable long-range escorts. The primary recommendation by the Bomb Divisions and by the 78th Fighter Group was simply to provide more P-38’s on all future deep-penetration missions.


23 October 1943
The Eagle Public House
Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England, UK


“To the seventy-eighth!”

Hilgert, Gaffney, Heidinger, and few others were toasting their Fighter Group one last time before going their separate ways. With the 78th now fully transitioned to P-38’s and flying full-strength operational sorties there was no longer a need to have such a concentration of experience in an over-staffed HQ for the Group. The USAAF, in all it wisdom, were re-distributing them to other units.

Gaffney was staying with the 78th to take Maj. May’s place in the 82nd Squadron. Hilgert was being re-assigned to the 20th Fighter Group HQ to bring them more institutional experience as they continued to wait for their full allotment of airplanes and gear up for independent operations.

As for Heidinger, all of his long flights providing bomber escort in the Med and now with the 8th had racked up his Combat Time enough that the 65th Fighter Wing HQ had deemed his Combat Tour over. He was being sent back to the States to join one of the P-38 Replacement Training Units. He had not received his final assignment as yet, but he was to board the Queen Elizabeth in one week and would be home in time to have Thanksgiving dinner with his family in Illinois for a 30 day furlough. He was excited to be going home but also sad that his time in combat was over.

At least the Schweinfurt raid would not be his last combat sortie. On the 20th of October he had joined the 78th in providing escort on a raid to Duren, German, just east of Aachen. They ran into more E/A in the Aachen area again, the same group that Greywall had fought on the 14th. This time the Germans were better prepared to face fighters and none of their aircraft carried bombs or rockets. The fight was tough but the 78th gave as good as they got and Hilgert added more to his increasing tally even though Heidinger’s usual bad shooting failed to bag him any more Jerrys.

“The Seventy-Eighth!” The group of American fighter pilots clicked their mugs together and each shared a deep draught of the bitter English dark.

Moments later a group of four other American airmen came over, all wearing the single bars of 1st Lieutenants on their collars. One of the men, a tall man with dark complexion, spoke for the group.

“We’re sorry to interrupt, but did you say the ‘Seventy-eighth?’”

“That’s right.” Gaffney responded.

“You guys are the Lightning pilots, right? Checkerboards?”

“That’s us.”

“I want to…” he looked at his companions, “we all want to buy you guys a round. You saved our asses the other week.”

“Schweinfurt?”

“Yeah,” the four men grabbed chairs and squeezed in around the four fighter pilots, “you guys were everywhere.” He reached his had to Gaffney, “Lieutenant Bob Slane, Pilot. This here is Lieutenant Johnson, my co-pilot, Lieutenant Foster, Navigator, and Lieutenant Runner, my Bombardier. We’re with the 401st Bomb Squadron, 91st Bomb Group.”

After their introductions were complete, the B-17 Pilot continued, “We lost our number-four engine to flak over the target, then we got hit by Focke-Wulfs and lost number three. We ended up alone at eighteen thousand feet and losing altitude when our Tail Gunner comes on and says there are seven one-oh-nines coming at us gear down, then gear up, attack, and come around.”

The description of the attack had Heidinger’s un-divided attention. Gaffney and Hilgert, both of whom had already heard Heidinger’s story, also noticed and each gave Jim a sideways glance as the Fortress driver continued.

“We were running our two good engines to the red line trying to stay up and evade these Jerrys but I figured we were done for. Then our ball gunner is shouting and laughing in the intercom that a P-38 came up alone and clobbered a couple of the Germans from our tail. Our crew saw him knock down two, maybe three, of them and he led them by us and our engineer nailed another. He chased all of them off on his own. It was one helluva bit of flying.”

Gaffney slapped Heidinger on the back, “Well, I think you’ll want to save your drinks for the Captain here.”

Lt. Slane looked at Heidinger, “You mean…?”

The many fights that day were all pretty confused and Heidinger did not want to take credit where none was due so he inquired, “Number seven-fourteen?”

The bomber pilot grinned, “That was us.”

The next few moments were filled with hand-shakes, laughs, and mutual admiration. When the commotion settled down a little, Heidinger felt a strange wave of relief roll through his body. He had not even realized how concerned he had been for the bomber in the time since the mission until that moment, when he knew they were home safe. “You made it back, O.K.?”

“Yes. All the way to Bassingbourn. How about you?”

“No. I took a pretty bad hit from that last one-oh-nine and ended up running out fuel so I put down at Manston.”

“Well, thank you anyway. I’m pretty sure if it weren’t for you we’d all be Goering’s guests right now, or worse. You are one helluva pilot, Captain.”

“Thanks, but it was more luck than anything. Right time, right place.” Wanting to change the subject he went on, “Hell, if you want to see good flying, you ought to watch Captain Hilgert, here. He bagged six of ‘em that day! Speaking of which, Hil, I’ve been meaning to ask you: on the way in, when you went to save the guys from the 20th, how the hell did you reverse so damn fast?”

“Oh, that,” Hilgert shook his head, “I can’t take credit for that one. An old squad-mate from the 27th talked me through it when I was in trouble last spring. I call it a ‘MacKay Turn.’ You just can one throttle, gun the other, and rudder-roll into the slow side. The first time I did it, I had a dead engine and nearly spun out right into the Med. Scary as hell but effective if you can hold on.”

The conversation drifted about for a while, the Fighter pilots sharing their horror for what it must be like to be such sitting ducks in a lumbering bomber while at the same time the Bomber crew expressing how thankful they are not to have to face the long flights and the enemy all alone in the cramped cockpit of a fighter.

As the evening wore on the fighter-jocks and bomber-boys shared a few moments of peace and joy, each man knowing that any one of them may be gone tomorrow.
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* OTL Black Thursday
 
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I think there may be other possible settings than are listed in the table
That's a good point and one I was actually considering when writing but decided against having Heidinger try it. I reasoned that he probably wouldn't have complete power/consumption tables with him in the cockpit, instead having summaries based on the mission profile, so he was limited in what he would try.

I can figure it out, with fair accuracy, later and will likely include better fuel saving techniques later in the war, especially in the PTO.
 
That's a good point and one I was actually considering when writing but decided against having Heidinger try it. I reasoned that he probably wouldn't have complete power/consumption tables with him in the cockpit, instead having summaries based on the mission profile, so he was limited in what he would try.

I can figure it out, with fair accuracy, later and will likely include better fuel saving techniques later in the war, especially in the PTO.


Also strong head winds would negate the value of flying as slow as possible. Factor in density altitude and it starts getting complicated. From what I read the pilots in Papua New Guinea, who knew the local weather, would use minimum single engine speed mainly as a way to loiter to wait out the worst of the usual late afternoon thunderstorms over the Port Moresby area. Than fly in and land. So not so much for maximum distance as maximum time. But I think the potential is there for increasing maximum distance if the winds and daylight permit.

In the Pacific for longer range Charles Lindbergh advocating keeping the boost high, the RPM low and the mixture lean to a degree that looked questionable to the P-38 pilots but it worked out. Need good high octane fuel for that technique to avoid detonation. Otherwise it would be a great way to keep the engines warm and the charge temperature within proper limits for those high altitude ETO missions too. More and bigger drop tanks in the ETO would help alot.
 
...[keep] the boost high, the RPM low and the mixture lean to a degree that looked questionable to the P-38 pilots but it worked out. Need good high octane fuel for that technique to avoid detonation. Otherwise it would be a great way to keep the engines warm and the charge temperature within proper limits for those high altitude ETO missions too. More and bigger drop tanks in the ETO would help alot.
Correct. In fact, if you look at the early part of Heidinger's account from Another Thursday you'll see that he and LeVier worked this out, exactly, for the reasons you mentioned (but reversed): keep the engine and charge air warm with the benefit of fuel conservation. They had not worked out the absolute best range settings yet, so Heidinger did not have that at his disposal. Lindy ended up on 1600 RPM, 30-31"Hg boost, IAS 185 mph OTL for 70 gal/hr total in a P-38J. This was an improvement over the standard 100 gal/hr settings used for most cruise on missions (OTL IAS about 210 mph) and is largely in line with what Heidinger and LeVier had figured out and was proposed by Heidinger as the "down leg" of the escort circuit. However, it does not give absolute "best range" even from the normal Flight Operation Instruction Charts. Instead it is a compromise which gives sufficient patrol speed with improved range.
 
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14 October 1943
Churchtime Red Two
1435 hours – End of Mission
I think this is the single best description of fighter combat I have ever seen. Bravissimo.:cool::cool: Caidin doesn't tell it in that much detail in Whip (tho, TBH, he captures the visceral better; this feels the tiniest bit clinical).

A minor quibble: Heidinger getting so much bad luck on one op isn't something I'd have done, except to make a point about the character--but if you consider, TTL, the P-38 is the man character, and a complicated machine of war, I don't think you're out of bounds with it. Besides that, I'm betting, somebody, somewhere, in all the combats of WW2, had this much bad luck.:eek:

Do I sound like I'm complaining? I don't mean it. This is so near perfect, the flaws are standing out... It's like Tyra having a bad hair day: you notice immediately.:frown:

Getting the look inside the cockpit & how in-flight problems get handled alone was worth a bravo. Add the rest...
Heidinger looked over his notes and flight charts again. If he could drop M.P. to 22 inches and maintain 188 IAS, for about 204 TAS, he could reduce total consumption to 47 gallons per hour. Running the numbers quick he calculated that would get him about 300 miles in an hour and half. That was better, but still not quite enough for comfort.

He considered killing the right engine and limping back on the left, cross-suctioning fuel from the right tanks. His flight charts showed single-engine operation for best range at 6,000 feet to be 2100 RPM at 34”Hg. M.P. That would increase his total consumption and reduce his speed, so that was not an option.

The final option was to drop to the deck, keeping only a hundred feet or so above the ground, where he could reduce his throttles almost back to Idle but keep his RPMs at 1600. That would slow him down to 185 mph but his consumption should also fall to about 42 gallons per hour, total. With that he could make 310 miles, giving him enough to reach Manston
This is all counterintuitive to me. Engine-out actually raises the burn? And lower altitude doesn't?:eek::confused::confused: That is the last thing I'd have thought. Thx for that, too, on top of the rest.:)
made an ineffectual attack on the Frisian Islands
Careful, you'll give away the location of the invasion.:openedeyewink:
the bomber gunners had submitted claims for 127 E/A Destroyed, 23 Probably Destroyed, and 51 Damaged—likely inflated numbers
:eek: "Likely"? There's somebody with a knack for understatement... (Or, as Gibbs would say, "Ya think?":openedeyewink: {He's behind me, isn't he?})
The bomb spreads were incredibly accurate
IDK if I should put this down to literary licence or just self-delusion...:rolleyes:
“Target Rich Environment”
Is that period correct? I've never heard it used outside (before) Vietnam.
recommendation to award Capt. Heidinger a Silver Star for this selfless action
Y'know, it never occurred to me reading the narrative, but when rendered as an after-action report, I immediately thought an award of something was warranted...
he was to board the Queen Elizabeth in one week
Did you know, going home aboard ship actually reduced the impact of combat stress when troops got home? Which is one reason the vets from 'nam had it so bad: they flew back.




Also, Draconis, you might want to Unlike & re-read: I was in the process of adding when you hit the "like"... Starting with "Frisian".
 
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Well I just finished reading the epilogue to "Another Thursday." An excellent wind down to the saga of that pivotal mission. And more excellent story telling too.

Lessons learned? More P-38s of course!

Why split the bomber force into two? There's not as much need to try and spoof the LW air defense if the bombers are fully escorted. And if it seems like the first group gets better results due to better visibility than send them all in as one bigger group. Also that will put the total bomber force in the flak zone for less time reducing the overall exposure to flak.

Everybody needs more drop tanks.

More P-38s are needed to provide complete escort duties.

Oh yeah. Almost forgot. More P-38s.

I'm eagerly looking forward to the next engineering update on the status of the ATL P-38J (OTL sort of a P-38K plus). Hoping it will be put into production in time to take part in the big 8th air force battles against the LW in the spring of 1944.
 
Do I sound like I'm complaining? I don't mean it.
I didn't take any of it as complaint. I can see the compliment in your assessment and happily accept it :) I had considered going more visceral/emotional with it...but it was just too damn big. I'd still be writing part I if I had really wanted to get into the personal aspects of the flight! As you said, this is ultimately the story of the airplane so I decided to focus as much as possible on the plane. There will be other encounters later in the war, when the plane is closer to its final established form, when I can bring more into.

As far as Heidinger's bad luck...really, he didn't have much when you look at it. The only real bad luck he had was losing O2 and not realizing it until it was too late. Beyond that, everything was situational/operational. In many ways, I was worried that this story would come off as being too generous to Heidinger--giving him too much intuition and good luck. His quick reactions saved his butt a few times during this mission and none of it a result of bad luck.

Now, for a little Meta-explanation of the "behind the scenes" process of how much of this came about... I set out with only two real goals in mind when I first started Another Thursday: 1) show the un-relenting German defense that infamously defined Mission 115, and; 2) stay with Heidinger all the way back to England and show the critical fuel situation. The initial plan evolved, of course, through the course of the writing. Re-reading Lt. Slane's story of B-17 #714 made me want to save him and his crew, so I needed to get Heidinger down to it without suffering any damage that would prevent him from intervening (such as an engine loss). I settled on Oxygen as it seemed to be about the only system that could fail and still leave the pilot and plane in a condition to drive off so many E/A.

The hits to his nose by that last 109 came about as a result of me not wanting him to get out Scott-free (which I thought would be too convenient/wanky) but also not wanting him knocked down. The followup damage to the electric prop was just from applying a little reason as to where the 109's shots would have to go after hitting the nose without loss of any major combat system (again, an engine or--for him even worse--fuel).

The same applies to his loss of guns, getting hit in the nose some damage was inevitable--I figured his two right-side .50's were put out of action and the electrics for them also damaged as a result. With that determined, I realized this effectively knocked out all of his guns based on how I described the circuits to be grouped in an earlier post (the two outboard together, the two inboard and cannon together). So, when he held only one circuit in only the inboard guns would fire but with the right-inboard out of commission, only the left-inboard would fire. The left-outboard would still work if he had also held in the breaker for the outboard gun solenoids.

After all of that was done, I realized I had really left myself in a corner (and Heidinger in a desperate situation). I knew the OTL weather issues and all that fighting had really burned up a ton of fuel leaving insufficient fuel for Heidinger to get back to Duxford no matter what I tried (or what he would realistically try). I had to settle on him getting to Manston and after playing around with the numbers a bit I realized he would just barely make, if he was lucky.

I was writing about his approach and focusing on fuel and when I had him lower his gear I realized that those German rounds through the armament compartment had to have gone somewhere...and what was writ below the guns? The nose gear actuator. Again, this wasn't really bad luck so much as a logical, and likely, result of taking 30mm cannon rounds and 7.92mm MG rounds into the nose of a P-38. Again, it wasn't originally planned but it just sort of...happened. :confused:

So, yeah, I see what you mean about a lot being heaped on him...but really, it was simple cause and effect. Only the O2 loss was put in as "bad luck" for the sake of the narrative and that was only to get him to a place to save #714.
This is all counterintuitive to me. Engine-out actually raises the burn? And lower altitude doesn't?:eek::confused::confused: That is the last thing I'd have thought.
I think what does it is the natural "diminishing return" of running an engine up. In order to maintain a specific altitude the plane needs to go faster and when one engine is lost the other has to work a lot harder to make enough power to maintain that speed. The additional drag of the dead engine also means the remaining engine has to produce more thrust on its own than two running engines need to make to reach the same speed, meaning higher engine output. The rule of diminishing returns means that increasing in power demand a greater increase in relative consumption. If you were to calculate the gal/hr/hp of each engine and plot it out, you would see that there is a sweet spot of best power/consumption pretty low in the power band, above which the ratio continually decreases as power increases.

Of course, that's just conjecture on my part. The numbers, however, are those from the Operating Charts.
 
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@phx1138, I was already posting my response when you updated...so, here's the rest...
"Likely"? There's somebody with a knack for understatement...
I think "understatement" is an understatement in this remark x'D
IDK if I should put this down to literary licence or just self-delusion...
Relative, actually. OTL the 1st AD on Mission 115 had an amazingly tight (relatively speaking) bomb pattern. Sure, by modern standards it would still be atrocious but it was one of those where "right in the pickle barrel" almost actually applied.
Is that period correct? I've never heard it used outside (before) Vietnam.
I honestly don't know. It never even occurred to me that it may not be correct. If it isn't, then what would be the WWII equivalent? (the sentiment stands, however)
Y'know, it never occurred to me reading the narrative, but when rendered as an after-action report, I immediately thought an award of something was warranted...
To tell the truth, that's exactly how it occurred to me. As I wrote the narrative I hadn't given any thought of awards...but in the "General's Chair" reading an after-action/Personal Encounter Report and reviewing how the bomber crew must have felt and reported it in their debriefing, a Silver Star seemed appropriate (I haven't decided yet if it will actually be awarded or if it will be down-graded to a Bronze Star. Given the high impact of the Mission and the desire of 8AF to encourage "good" escorts from the new P-38 groups, I could see them giving the Silver Star as much for PR as anything).
Did you know, going home aboard ship actually reduced the impact of combat stress when troops got home? Which is one reason the vets from 'nam had it so bad: they flew back.
I did know this, actually. AIUI, now days they usually keep returning soldiers for a while after getting back stateside for "debriefing" and re-adjustment before letting them lose on the civilian world without so much as thank you (as happened during 'Nam).
Why split the bomber force into two?
Mostly logistical. Forming multiple bomb groups from a myriad of air fields into a single force takes a lot of time. The more you have to assemble, the longer it takes, the more fuel it takes, and more likely that the enemy will have advance warning of an attack. Splitting the forces simplifies this while also providing an additional benefit of spreading the defensive force out more...the enemy may have to choose which force to attack, leaving the other uncontested.
More P-38s are needed to provide complete escort duties.

Oh yeah. Almost forgot. More P-38s.
:closedeyesmile:

I'm eagerly looking forward to the next engineering update on the status of the ATL P-38J
Forthcoming. Hopefully late next week. My sister-in-law is getting married this weekend so I will be too busy for any writing for the next few days.
 
I didn't take any of it as complaint. I can see the compliment in your assessment and happily accept it :) I had considered going more visceral/emotional with it...but it was just too damn big. I'd still be writing part I if I had really wanted to get into the personal aspects of the flight!
I'm not saying it hurt it, because it doesn't. I was thinking of small details, like pounding heart & sweaty palms now & again, not a deep dive into anybody's state of mind. That said, you're writing it, so you're the one who has to be happy with it, whatever I say.:)
As far as Heidinger's bad luck...really, he didn't have much when you look at it.
IMO, when you get two breaker pops in the middle of fighting off 7 Me-109s, that's not good luck.:openedeyewink: I'll agree, you showed a pro at work. That had almost a test pilot feel to it: keeping cool even as the wings are coming off.:openedeyewink: Or staying on the radio & reporting the data right up to the point of impact, because the canopy is jammed shut.:eek:
Now, for a little Meta-explanation
And that is how it should be done.:cool::cool: (Thx for the insight, too.:cool:) Everything follows logically from the circumstances; a little nudging toward a desired result isn't out of bounds at all, IMO.
The numbers, however, are those from the Operating Charts.
The data don't lie... If they tell you something you don't believe, you have to be wrong. (Just ask House.:openedeyewink:)
 
, when you get two breaker pops in the middle of fighting off 7 Me-109s, that's not good luck
Well, jeez...when you put that way....:openedeyewink:

In all seriousness, though, I think it is a matter of degree. Is losing two (well, three actually) circuits during a fight bad luck? Sure, it is. But he was dern lucky that's all he lost! If he had reacted even a tenth of a second later those shots in the nose would instead have been shots in the lap and instead of losing electrics on one prop he would have likely lost the whole engine. Not that it would have mattered anyway because in that case he likely would be dead already.

You're right about me missing the pilot experience. I got so tangled up in just figuring out how this would all work I guess I forgot those details. In my defense, I am not a good enough writer to present all the heavy breathing, racing hearts, and sweaty palms in such a way as to keep it fresh for each of the many engagements in this chapter. I fear it would become redundant (much as I now realize I did with all the plane 'shudders') and instead of being visceral it would have been 'oh, this again.' Consider it a limitation of the author at present. I will seek to improve, though:)
 
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Bad luck is when a pilot takes a bullet to the head. Good luck is when it ricochets off the canopy frame. Competence is money in the bank. Bravery is spending the money. A man who takes on 7 enemy airplanes alone with a compromised airplane and is successful deserves the Medal of Honour.
 
James Howard hung around some B-17s being attacked by 30 109s, scoring 6, flying only a Mustang.
Yup, he defended an entire Bomb Group agaist 30 Me.109s for half an hour, even continuing to make passes after running out of ammo...and became the only fighter pilot to earn the MoH in the ETO. If this is the standard, then the Bronze or Silver Star is the right choice for our Capt. Heidinger.
 
Well, jeez...when you put that way....:openedeyewink:
Hey, maybe I'm being harder on you than I should've been. That's what caught my attention, & not...
... If he had reacted even a tenth of a second later those shots in the nose would instead have been shots in the lap and instead of losing electrics on one prop he would have likely lost the whole engine. Not that it would have mattered anyway because in that case he likely would be dead already.
...that. Your "meta" on the damage actually clarified it for me in a way that made it both more credible & more...well, frightening isn't quite the word.
You're right about me missing the pilot experience. I got so tangled up in just figuring out how this would all work I guess I forgot those details. In my defense, I am not a good enough writer to present all the heavy breathing, racing hearts, and sweaty palms in such a way as to keep it fresh for each of the many engagements in this chapter. I fear it would become redundant (much as I now realize I did with all the plane 'shudders') and instead of being visceral it would have been 'oh, this again.' Consider it a limitation of the author at present. I will seek to improve, though:)
Don't sweat it. I'm no better at it, & when the rest is as good as it is, you don't need it.:) After all, if Isaac Asimov can have success on the strength of his ideas (& his SF was not, IMO, deeply evocative), why not you?:cool: Consider my nitpicking a character flaw; I don't do praise well, so if I can't find something to criticize...:cryingface:

And if we're going to vote on what decoration Heidinger deserves, I'd say, don't reduce it to a Bronze Star.:angry: (And yes, I recall what Kirk said about democracy....)
 
What about a Distinguished Service Cross? I think his actions over the entire period of the raid are well deserving. One would hope when the Silver Star and DFC recommendations find their way higher, someone puts the dots together. I agree that a Medal of Honor is too high, but I think a Silver Star isn't enough...therefore the DSC.
 
What about a Distinguished Service Cross?
I don't think his action meets the critera for the DSC.
Wikipedia said:
The act or acts of heroism must have been so notable and have involved risk of life so extraordinary as to set the individual apart from his or her comrades.
I think it would be a hard sell to say that many of his comrades wouldn't have done the same as him in the circumstances, with varying levels of succes.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the SSM is the right award. Any Military vets around to give their input?
 
How about the Silver Star and the fast track to promotion to Major than Lieutenant Colonel? Could be the Captain will end up commanding a P-38 training base back in the States where he will need the higher rank. The perfect job for someone with his skills.
 
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