WI: More Filipinos in Mexico and More Mexicans in the Filipinos

I have been very curious about the possible cultural butterflies if their was a larger population of Filipinos in Mexico and vice-versa. (Minimum limit of 1 million in both countries)

I know that a lot of Mexicans have a lot of Filipino descent through the Galleon trade and also that Mexicans settled in the Philippines and our people have Mexican descent.

Hope to read your responses. This question has been pondering me a lot recently.
 
Because Mexican culture actually (indirectly) influenced the Philippines, especially the cuisine and language, I think more Mexican mestizos will settle in OTL Central Luzon provinces if they were given incentives by the colonial government.
 
Interesting proposition

Would this result in Mexico trying to take/claim the Philippines during the Mexican Revolution?

Very interesting. We were governed by New Spain until Spain took over after losing New Spain (Mexico).

The Philippines would be an overseas territory under Mexico or some-sort of associated state with Mexico or either independent with a large minority of Mexicans.

Anyway the Novales Revolt (1823) comes into mind.

Also I uh...messed up on the title. It should be "More Filipinos in Mexico and More Mexicans in the Philippines." :p

Because Mexican culture actually (indirectly) influenced the Philippines, especially the cuisine and language, I think more Mexican mestizos will settle in OTL Central Luzon provinces if they were given incentives by the colonial government.

True true. I am wondering if the Philippines has some sort of modern-day statistics on the number of Filipinos with descent from Mexico.

Actually this question diverges form the original intent of the thread but did any Filipinos move into South America?
 

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Because Mexican culture actually (indirectly) influenced the Philippines, especially the cuisine and language, I think more Mexican mestizos will settle in OTL Central Luzon provinces if they were given incentives by the colonial government.
Thats interesting. Any ideas where the Filipinos might settle in Mexico?
 
I think this thread should gain more response if it is placed on the After 1990 forum because in all parts of the world except Antarctica, there is notable absence of recent (post 1970) Filipino immigrants and workers in Latin America and if there's Filipino, they are mostly seafarers or missionaries.

Stick with the topic, the better POD is to have the Hapsburgs not ruling the Spanish Empire and have a monarch that focuses on New World colonies instead of religious wars in Europe, thus more focus on New World colonies mean that colonies could have their own will to dictate the migration policies within the empire.
 
Thats interesting. Any ideas where the Filipinos might settle in Mexico?

If I recall correctly many Filipinos historically settled along the Pacific coast, particularly along the coasts of Guerrero and Colima, so those areas seem like a good place to start.

As a shameless plug for my TL, I'm actually planning for a good number of Filipino immigrants to settle in California's Central Valley (which is retained following a Mexican Victory in the Mexican-American War).
 
True true. I am wondering if the Philippines has some sort of modern-day statistics on the number of Filipinos with descent from Mexico.

Actually this question diverges form the original intent of the thread but did any Filipinos move into South America?

This is very hard to tell unless someone funds DNA testing for the population. The issue with the philippines is the incentive for intermarriages during Spanish colonial time to increase ones social status, to avoid discrimination/caste system, etc.

For example, You are a mexican who migrated 150 years ago. You married a pure native local or pure Spanish born colonist or a pure Chinese migrant. Have 3 children. They eat the same food as the locals and look physically like the locals. Eventually your descendants intermarry to other locals until present day and forget they had ancestors who came from Mexico because of lack of records, your ancestors have been here for a long time, or you have been diluted to Chinese, mexican, Spanish, Malay race to make each blood/culture you have insignificant to your life. That the only thing you and your family mind is you are Filipino.

The same issue with the Spanish since they have been doing this since 1500s.

You won't know the extent of the mexican blood unless scientifically test it.
 

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I have something of an ongoing universe/timeline in which a stable and prosperous Mexico defeats the US and retains the west. In this scenario, Mexico experienced a huge wave of immigration from Europe and Asia. I would suspect most Filipinos who leave for the Americas would have ended up there, employed building Mexico's transcontinental railroads and populating California. San Francisco, for example, evolved in the latter 19th century as a city primarily of Chinese, Irish and Filipinos.
 
I have something of an ongoing universe/timeline in which a stable and prosperous Mexico defeats the US and retains the west. In this scenario, Mexico experienced a huge wave of immigration from Europe and Asia. I would suspect most Filipinos who leave for the Americas would have ended up there, employed building Mexico's transcontinental railroads and populating California. San Francisco, for example, evolved in the latter 19th century as a city primarily of Chinese, Irish and Filipinos.

Unless philippines become suddenly poor in ATL, I don't see this happening. There is a reason why mass migration only happened during the Marcos era in otl.
 
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