WI: Mongols pull a Qing

So I've seen Mongol wanks and no mongol timelines, but what about a timeline where the Mongols are successful but not to the degree of OTL? Let's say, for whatever reason, the Mongols either don't go west or don't do much more than raid eastern Iran and Russia, never making it west of the Caspian. Aside from massively improving the fortunes of Persia and Russia (surviving Khwarezmians and Cumans?), do the alt-Yuan manage to last longer in China, do they succeed in conquering or tributizing part of Japan or SE Asia?
 
So I've seen Mongol wanks and no mongol timelines, but what about a timeline where the Mongols are successful but not to the degree of OTL? Let's say, for whatever reason, the Mongols either don't go west or don't do much more than raid eastern Iran and Russia, never making it west of the Caspian. Aside from massively improving the fortunes of Persia and Russia (surviving Khwarezmians and Cumans?), do the alt-Yuan manage to last longer in China, do they succeed in conquering or tributizing part of Japan or SE Asia?
Genghis wanted them to move West, you would have to change him to get the Mongols more eastern oriented
 
Does Yuan need to exist? Making the Jin and Song ally against the Mongols instead of fighting each other might very well stop their conquest of China entirely. You can at least delay the conquest of Khwarezmia by them not starting it and if even more Mongol resources are engaged in China I think it is reasonable to say it never occurs. The Rus as easy as the conquest was might also be avoided if the Mongols are tied up still fighting the Jin and Song.

Or, though it doesn't fulfil your secondary condition of them not going west, just have the Mongols agree to peace with the Jin and Song so now the Mongols have several times more to commit in the other fronts.
 
Genghis wanted them to move West, you would have to change him to get the Mongols more eastern oriented
Yes, but if he dies earlier or is more tied down with his conquest of China, or his initial strike into Persia meets stronger resistance for whatever reason, who's to say that might slip his heirs entirely?
Essentially I want Persia to end up like Hungary- the Mongols come, raid and pillage and slaughter, smash a few armies but then leave because of a succession crisis, and by the time they come back Persia is in a position to repel them.
 
I mean that rather than the Mongol blob of OTL they are largely limited to the Sinosphere, becoming yet another "conquest dynasty" centered on China and its environs rather than a world-spanning empire.
 
I mean that rather than the Mongol blob of OTL they are largely limited to the Sinosphere, becoming yet another "conquest dynasty" centered on China and its environs rather than a world-spanning empire.
Well, if the Mongols stay the Mongols we know in OTL, their beginning with China first, and leaving the rest of the World for the later conquest, makes the fate of the world even worse.
First of all if the Mongols concentrate all their efforts on China the genius of Chenghizz-khan, Subuday and some other prominent Mongol generals make the conquest of China much more faster.
Secondly, keeping all the Mongols together, close to each other in the very beginning make them more united. That's an obvious consequence. And so, the World Mongol Empire will live longer, as they won't stop on China.
3) Afterwards they will spread conquering mostly like OTL, but now followed by ethnic Chinese armies as garrisones and ethnic Chinese civil administration. The Chinese armies would be handy for prolonged sieges, while the core nomadic Mongol (and soon nomadic Turkic) armies would go further.

As a result Europe might end up a part of the Mongol World Empire with the Chinese civil administration and some big central cities like Rome, Paris etc. settled by the Chinese garrisones with their families.
 
@Russian Ironically the Chinese themselves would be the greatest ally to the West in such a scenario. Yes, the Mongol Armies are powerful and pack a punch, but they were fighting against likewise lethal opponents, especially in the Song. It took a long time for them to take China IOTL, and even sped up it will be well after Temujin's death when China is fully conquered (or possibly even if, with butterflies). Then the Mongols will have to worry about Chinese problems; assuming they conquer or try to conquer other East Asian Nations like Japan, Korea, and parts of Indochina, they now have a good third of the world under their control already. It's hard to go on a conquering spree when you're trying to hold so much down. And by the 1260s+ when they'd be done with China, many of the original Mongols will have settled down into a sedentary lifestyle, diminishing (though not destroying) their combat abilities.

I therefore find it unlikely the Mongol-Chinese Empire would go on a massive adventure to conquer the whole world like the OTL Mongols, mostly because they have so much to administrate already. Conquer and control more parts of the Steppe? Sure. Raid and exact tribute from surrounding states? Absolutely? Penetrate deep into Europe or even the Middle East? Doubtful.

It will also be interesting to see the effects on Persia and the Islamic World. The former would be a lot more populated today, prosperous and capable of being home to Large Empires like in the past.
 
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