WI Mexico joins Axis

Kaze

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For whatever reason that possessed the Mexican president, he joins Axis. After Pearl Harbor, Mexico declares war on the US and starts to invade California.
 
Mexico becomes annexed by the United States
Doubtful. The US isn’t out for military conquest. Mexico will lose no territory o the US.

Assuming the Mexican military doesn’t mutiny at the idea of a suicide mission however Mexico is crushed. Mexico’s military was not ready for war in 1941, and even with OTL American aid only their Air Force was really up for combat even my later in the war. The US Army will be sent to California to rout the ill-prepared soldiers sent against the state, and the Atlantic fleet will blockade the coast (possibly with some cities occupied.)

At this point sanity will regain control and the rest of the Mexican government/military will remove the president for his stupid idea before giving up.
 
For whatever reason that possessed the Mexican president, he joins Axis. After Pearl Harbor, Mexico declares war on the US and starts to invade California.
A major backlash against Hispanics follows and many join Germans and Japanese in camps. Did Mexico plan ahead? Mobilizing will take a bit. If they did plan and launch an attack immediately after Pearl, they are lumped in with the infamous Japanese and face years of America's wrath.

The border is going to be a bit of a mess. Gradually the US is going to ramp up and Mexico will take the first hit despite FDR wanting to focus on Germany (you think citizens will put up with ignoring a threat on their very borders?). A year delay for Torch with the ramifications that has in North Africa. I see the Eastern Front staying the same. American troops perform somewhat better with combat experience in Mexico.

The post-war likely sees a low-level guerilla war in occupied Mexico that will distract the US from world affairs and leave bad blood for years. Vietnam comes early south of the border.
 

Redcoat

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Mexico is crushed in like the first day. Maybe we could get Sonora out of it, or turn it into a protectorate. Get a friendlier government too.
 

Kaze

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The problem with Mexico entering the war is the Mexican revolution of 1910-20 devastated the military forces and left Mexico flirting with Trotsky. However, if by chance the revolution was killed in the bed as it were there would be plenty of men - over 400'000 men ready and able to invade California.
 
The problem with Mexico entering the war is the Mexican revolution of 1910-20 devastated the military forces and left Mexico flirting with Trotsky. However, if by chance the revolution was killed in the bed as it were there would be plenty of men - over 400'000 men ready and able to invade California.
I felt a great disturbance in the multiverse. As if millions of butterflies cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

No Mexican Revolution has major consequences going forward, and still leaves it vastly weaker than the US. To begin with, it’s highly likely this will mean the depoliticalization of the Mexican Army will occur, meaning continued interference in the Mexican government by the military.

And that’s not even going into Mexico’s lack of capacity to support an army that size in a northern invasion.
 
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For whatever reason that possessed the Mexican president, he joins Axis. After Pearl Harbor, Mexico declares war on the US and starts to invade California.

General Marshal does a double take and then thinks about the advantages that a such a live fire exercise would bring to the already massively expanding US Army......

Also I would be highly surprised if such an undertaking was carried out with any sort of operation surprise or secrecy!

And how large could such an army be? The mexican army deployed 100,000 men during the Cristero War and that was within its own borders - how many could it support north of the border? Logistics is hard!
 
And how large could such an army be? The mexican army deployed 100,000 men during the Cristero War and that was within its own borders - how many could it support north of the border? Logistics is hard!
Logistics is especially hard for a nation with limited highways and rail!
 
For whatever reason that possessed the Mexican president, he joins Axis. After Pearl Harbor, Mexico declares war on the US and starts to invade California.

The Mexican president would be deposed and put in an insane asylum before the troops could get anywhere.
 
The problem with Mexico entering the war is the Mexican revolution of 1910-20 devastated the military forces and left Mexico flirting with Trotsky. However, if by chance the revolution was killed in the bed as it were there would be plenty of men - over 400'000 men ready and able to invade California.

400,000 men =/= 1 army. This reminds me that Mussolini used to boast about Italy's war-making capability by mentioning his "8 million bayonets". And look how victorious they were (they weren't 8 million either, of course).
 
So in the hypothetical where Mexican leadership has gone off the deep end, what areas of Mexico would the US be interested in annexing? Does expanding the west coast down Baja California or pushing the US border create any meaningful gain for the US?
 
There would be more than a little opposition. The population was Catholic & anti Catholicism was still strong among the WASP middle & upper class class in the US. One of the reasons the US never took any actions that might lead to Phillipinos becoming US citizens, or emigrating enmass. The business leaders with ties to Latin America did not have much of investment in the regions likely to be annexed. & there was a general racism 'We have all the Mexicans we need, thank you.'

There still would have been at least some proponents, but voters like my father & his friends would have skeptical or actively opposed.
 
One of the reasons the US never took any actions that might lead to Phillipinos becoming US citizens, or emigrating enmass.

What about a protectorate? Another poster has mentioned it upthread, and the Philippines make for a sort of parallel to that kind of arrangement.
 

kernals12

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Mexico would quickly be defeated, the more interesting question is after the war. It's likely the US would do to Mexico what it did to Japan, Germany, and Italy, that is impose a liberal constitution and breakup large holdings of land and industry. They also probably would get lots of Marshall Aid money. Mexico could become a wealthy democracy which in turn would have interesting political impacts on its neighbor to the north by reducing emigration.
 

Wallet

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Why? By the 1940s the Mexican and US economies were getting heavily tied. Why declare war on your largest trading partner?
 
Why? By the 1940s the Mexican and US economies were getting heavily tied. Why declare war on your largest trading partner?

US(and others, like Royal Dutch Shell) Oil companies were all Nationalized in 1938, creating the Mexican PEMEX on Order of President Cardenas, but he was quite the opposite of the Fascists. He was just to the Right of Leon Trotsky, whom he allowed asylum.

After the Election of 1940, Manuel Camacho was elected, who was far more interested in repairing relations with the US and ending antiClericalism.

Another leftwing President like Francisco Mugica probably would have started another revolution, since some saw him as a Mexican Stalin

The Rightwing leader that would have done that, Juan Almazan, would have been that man, but was no Fascist and wouldn't have hitched to the Axis. He wasn't that stupid.
 
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