What if Matthias's second wife, Beatrix could have children and so she gave birth to a son, who would have a son too and on. What would/could happen in this scenario. How would a long-lasting Hunyadi dynasty influence the history of Hungary and Europe in the new age?
(If I made any mistake in grammar, please say it, and I will correct it. I'm not native english speaker)
 
A strong and internally (mostly) stabile Hungary would be a formidable bulwark against the Ottomans and would mean a weakening of the Habsburg. How will they interact with the HRE? Matthias Corvinus is a very interesting figure: maybe a POD could be him living longer and managing to get his bastard Johann recognized. Beyond that, I don't know, but I would eagerly read a Timeline focusing on Renaissance Hungary!
 
A strong and internally (mostly) stabile Hungary would be a formidable bulwark against the Ottomans and would mean a weakening of the Habsburg. How will they interact with the HRE? Matthias Corvinus is a very interesting figure: maybe a POD could be him living longer and managing to get his bastard Johann recognized. Beyond that, I don't know, but I would eagerly read a Timeline focusing on Renaissance Hungary!
I am sorta intending to have the Hunyadi survive beyond Màtyas in my Francewank TL, but it's a sideshow to Southwest Europe right now.
 
Yanez De Gomera, thank you for answering this quick, you gave me some good ideas.
For example: Matthias lives 10 years longer, and manages to crown his illegitimate son in his life. When Matthias dies, he already dealt with his most fearsome enemy Frederick III and with his son, Maximilian by the peace treaty of the Austro-Hungarian war, which probably would force them to accept John Hunyadi as successor of Matthias. About the austrian territories occupied by the hungarians, I think Matthias would probably sell them to Maximilian, as he already planned in OTL. After the death of Matthias, John would meet with week resistance against his rule I think. But what could happen afterwards? An active anti-ottoman centered foreign policy? Or hungarian participation in the Italian wars? Tell me what you think!
 
Dracolazarus, thanks for replying I will give a look at your thread :)
Trick is for the Habsburgs not to claim Hungary against Johann Hunyadi, they need to be severely nerfed, since despite Austria being occupied by Hungary they still managed to screw over Hungary enough to have it be reduced to Slovakia.
 
Well in OTL the Matthias following period was a bit chaotic because of the inner fight over the throne and the latter reigning Jagellonians. But in this timeline John Corvinus would be crowned in his father's life, and a treaty between Matthias and Maximilian would cement his success. I don't think the Habsburgs would later violate John's rule since Hungary defended Europe from the turks at the time.
 
Since you named his trueborn son John/János, I'll take that he was born before his OTL half-brother (pre-1473).

The prospects for Hungary are definitely good, but not great. True fact, Mathias was a great ruler, but his rule wasn't really sustainable and relied too much on a overcompetent and charismatic king like him. The death kneel of the governance was his revenue, to maintain the Black Army it's estimated to range something from 400,000 to 650,000 florings yearly, in the most opportune situations (good harvest/mining, two exceptional levies in a single year) the annual revenue of 600,000 florins (the Ottoman revenue was around 1,500,000 btw), so Mathias relied heavily on warfare and overtaxing the nobility to keep his Elite Mooks, it's simply set to blow on John's face (succession, even if crowned on his father's life, isn't often a smooth affair).

Another issue is that even if Mathias curbed the Estate's power during his lifetime, that doesn't means that they can't rise again (see Sigismund) and putting a choke on the nobles' neck is going to be painful. So in sorts, a part of Mathias' work is going to be undone unless you want a civil war (probably with Frederick and Maximilian screwing you up), but simply avoiding the Corvinus-Habsburg-Jagiellon tango and Vladislav destroying Mathias's life work completely and setting Hungary back to Albert-tier mess is going to benefits Hungary in short and long term (hence "good, but not great").
 
Since you named his trueborn son John/János, I'll take that he was born before his OTL half-brother (pre-1473).

The prospects for Hungary are definitely good, but not great. True fact, Mathias was a great ruler, but his rule wasn't really sustainable and relied too much on a overcompetent and charismatic king like him. The death kneel of the governance was his revenue, to maintain the Black Army it's estimated to range something from 400,000 to 650,000 florings yearly, in the most opportune situations (good harvest/mining, two exceptional levies in a single year) the annual revenue of 600,000 florins (the Ottoman revenue was around 1,500,000 btw), so Mathias relied heavily on warfare and overtaxing the nobility to keep his Elite Mooks, it's simply set to blow on John's face (succession, even if crowned on his father's life, isn't often a smooth affair).

Another issue is that even if Mathias curbed the Estate's power during his lifetime, that doesn't means that they can't rise again (see Sigismund) and putting a choke on the nobles' neck is going to be painful. So in sorts, a part of Mathias' work is going to be undone unless you want a civil war (probably with Frederick and Maximilian screwing you up), but simply avoiding the Corvinus-Habsburg-Jagiellon tango and Vladislav destroying Mathias's life work completely and setting Hungary back to Albert-tier mess is going to benefits Hungary in short and long term (hence "good, but not great").
Actually, we were talking about the "real" John Corvinus even tough I suggested originally an other one ^^

You are completely right about what you wrote about Matthias and his rule, but I still believe that even if Matthias's successor(either "real" or "trueborn" John Corvinus) are forced to loose his control over the magnates and lose some of the income, Hungary would still be capable of maintain to pay the upkeep of the Black Army more or less and fight the turks off. And if the hungarians would participate in the War of League of Cambrai against the venetians, and they are lucky, they could take the whole Dalmatia from the venetians. That would highly improve the finances of Hungary ergo strenghten the military power.
 
My obvious first answer is "The Hunyadi dynasty in Hungary really takes off.". For better or for worse, if it doesn't hit a stumbling block. How Matthias' scions would handle the tension with the Ottoman Empire and its efforts at conquest is debatable. How the Austrian Habsburgs, from whom Corvinus wrestled away Vienna at one time, would react, is also up in the air.

One thing is fairly certain: If the Hunyadi offspring continue the style of governance established by their father, they'll probably be keeping Hungarian nobility on a fairly tight leash, preventing most of the "screw the ruling dynasty" antics that occured during the reign of the two remaining Jagellonians on the OTL Hungarian throne. Obviously, this effort might not last indefinitely, and the same goes for the Hunyadis as the royal family.
 
Kellan Sullivan had a thread with some helpful insights, but I would be interested to see what the Hunyadi do with Hungary, maybe a massive Hunyadi-Jagiellon resurrected kingdom from the Baltic to the Adriatic
 

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In the Hungarian Kingdom, the Romanians were treated like second class citizens, so I do not think that the Hungarian people would have accepted to be under Romanian rule for much longer.
I believe that a revolution against the Corvinus dynasty would have happened and Hungary would have gotten ruled once again by a Hungarian King.
 
In the Hungarian Kingdom, the Romanians were treated like second class citizens, so I do not think that the Hungarian people would have accepted to be under Romanian rule for much longer.
I believe that a revolution against the Corvinus dynasty would have happened and Hungary would have gotten ruled once again by a Hungarian King.

Well, so long as Matthias has a legitimate son born to him during his time on the throne, or even his illegitimate son being naturalized, said kid becomes enfantus patriae (child of the fatherland - I mean OTL Henri IV was a Navarrese and George I a German, but their kids are still reckoned as enfants de France and prince(ss) of England.
 

Zagan

Donor
Well, so long as Matthias has a legitimate son born to him during his time on the throne, or even his illegitimate son being naturalized, said kid becomes enfantus patriae (child of the fatherland - I mean OTL Henri IV was a Navarrese and George I a German, but their kids are still reckoned as enfants de France and prince(ss) of England.
Unfortunately, in Eastern Europe nationalistic hatred is much deeper than in the West.
Well, maybe not in Matei Corvin's times but certainly a few centuries down the road. I may have exagerated.
 
The Hungarian Diet would have just forced the issue and the dynasty would be utterly Magyarized and after a couple generations, people (nobles) would have been fine with it.
 
Matthias's grandfather was Wallachian, but the King was born and raised at Hungary, yeah his homestead was in Transylvania, but the nobility doesn't necessarily translates in the commonfolk and vice-versa.

So Matthias's "Romanianess" was pretty weak to being with and the Hungarians were fine with him for most his reign (as well with Frenchmen, Germans and Poles).
 
Matthias do not fill and think being Romanian himself but a true Catholic Hungarian noble.
We should not bring the 19 and 20 century nationalism and shovinism onto the 15 century...

Despite what Romanians want to believe now (mostly grace of communists historiography) he was a King of Hungary and point. Ethnically he was only half Romanian or even less (its not sure if his father Ianos/Iancu had Romanian mother or Hungarian one). Cultural and other he was first of all Hungarian and seccond European Catholic.

So, concerning the question... as someone else had said, it will be better but mot great. Hungary alone can't face the Ottoman Empire. She need allies. If either Ianos or Mattias do not fix the relationship with the Habsburgs or Jagellons then Hungary is screw. The Turks are at they might.
 
So, concerning the question... as someone else had said, it will be better but mot great. Hungary alone can't face the Ottoman Empire. She need allies. If either Ianos or Mattias do not fix the relationship with the Habsburgs or Jagellons then Hungary is screw. The Turks are at they might.
Whatever end up as ruler of Spain (Trastamara, Aviz or even Habsburg) could be a great ally to Hungary. With Hungary providing support on land and the Spaniard or Aragonese on the sea.
 

Zagan

Donor
Despite what Romanians want to believe now (mostly grace of communists historiography)
Nicolae Iorga was not a communist: "Biruitor în războaie, învins numai la Baia de propriul său neam, când încerca să învingă Moldova nebiruită".
 
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