WI: Mary Tudor, Queen of France is pregnant in 1515

If Mary were to have been with child at the time of Louis XII's death how might this have affected things? Likely Francis would have to hold off on becoming king for another nine months. Mary would not have had the chance to wed Brandon due to the fact that there'd be no reason for him to be sent to France.

What difference would there be if she bore the French crown a son? Would the comte d'Angouleme have inherited the Breton crown through his wife?

What might have happened if she'd given birth to a daughter instead? If she were to return to England would she have been allowed to take her daughter with her? Would she still be able to get away with marriage to Charles Brandon or would she have been married to someone else instead? Perhaps the rumored Savoyard match or Lorrainer match would have gone through in this case.
 
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There would never ever be a marriage between half brother and sister. So Renee would just marry someone else. And the same would happen for a daughter of Louis XII and Mary Tudor.

There were other solutions for the royal power to gain stronger control on the duchy of Bretagne. Just consider what Francis I did for the duchy of Bourbon.
 
Mary Tudor, Queen of France (b.1496: d.1530) m. Louis XII of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a)

1a) Charles IX of France (b.1515: d.1579) m. Elisabeth of Austria (b.1528: d.1554) (a), Marguerite d'Angouleme (b.1523: d.1574) (b)

1a) Charlotte of France (b.1551)

2a) Stillborn Son (c.1552)

3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1554)

4b) Louis XIII of France (b.1555)

5b) Marguerite of France (b.1558)

6b) Isabelle of France (b.1561: d.1561)

7b) Henri, Duc d'Orleans (b.1563)​

Brittany goes to the Angouleme branch. And no way would the new King be married to his sister, especially with an elder sister already having the inheritance. Most likely he's betrothed to his cousin, Mary Tudor, and when the Boleyn stuff goes down, he is betrothed to an Austrian or Spanish Princess. Most of the Italians are either too low born or lack the necessary funds, or just plain die too young, the Portuguese only have one Infanta, who was always going to marry the heir to Spain. German or home born could work, but I'd put my money on an Austrian girl. There is a possibility of it being Anna of Austria, if just because Elisabeth of Austria, although elder, was plain and epileptic. However, she was apparently sweet-natured, and if she is given proper care and better living conditions, she could have lived a while longer, possibly into her 20's and 30's. After that, if they have no children/no male children/a weak male heir, then I could see him remarrying locally, perhaps to the Comte d'Angouleme's daughter. Margaret d'Angouleme (OTL Duchess of Savoy) might be available and thus a good match.
 
Ack! I'm so sorry! I completely forgot that Renee and Mary's son would be half-siblings. Wow, what a mistake to make. I'll go edit that out now.
 
As brother-in-law and heir to the infant *Charles IX would Francis Count of Angouleme (and Duke of Brittany) be regent? He's still quite young. Would he already be in position as 'custodian' or whatever whilst they await the gender of the child?
 
As brother-in-law and heir to the infant *Charles IX would Francis Count of Angouleme (and Duke of Brittany) be regent? He's still quite young. Would he already be in position as 'custodian' or whatever whilst they await the gender of the child?

The problem is not Francis of Angouleme's age. 21 years old was adulthood. Philip V of France, count of Poitiers and Burgundy when he first became regent, was barely older.

The problem, which Louis XII had realized in his late years, is that Francis, be It as count of Angouleme or as king of France, was quite incompetent and dangerous by his ability to make foolish decisions.
 
Mary would NOT be allowed to take her daughter with her. Francis would want the child as treaty bait. Children were property of their father or the head of the house, in France, this was not going to be Mary, but Francis. A Princess of France is not going to be raised in England.
 
Mary Tudor, Queen of France (b.1496: d.1530) m. Louis XII of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a)

1a) Charles IX of France (b.1515: d.1579) m. Elisabeth of Austria (b.1528: d.1554) (a), Marguerite d'Angouleme (b.1523: d.1574) (b)

1a) Charlotte of France (b.1551)

2a) Stillborn Son (c.1552)

3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1554)

4b) Louis XIII of France (b.1555)

5b) Marguerite of France (b.1558)

6b) Isabelle of France (b.1561: d.1561)

7b) Henri, Duc d'Orleans (b.1563)​

Brittany goes to the Angouleme branch. And no way would the new King be married to his sister, especially with an elder sister already having the inheritance. Most likely he's betrothed to his cousin, Mary Tudor, and when the Boleyn stuff goes down, he is betrothed to an Austrian or Spanish Princess. Most of the Italians are either too low born or lack the necessary funds, or just plain die too young, the Portuguese only have one Infanta, who was always going to marry the heir to Spain. German or home born could work, but I'd put my money on an Austrian girl. There is a possibility of it being Anna of Austria, if just because Elisabeth of Austria, although elder, was plain and epileptic. However, she was apparently sweet-natured, and if she is given proper care and better living conditions, she could have lived a while longer, possibly into her 20's and 30's. After that, if they have no children/no male children/a weak male heir, then I could see him remarrying locally, perhaps to the Comte d'Angouleme's daughter. Margaret d'Angouleme (OTL Duchess of Savoy) might be available and thus a good match.

Expanding on this scenario, what might happen to England assuming things go relative as IOTL? It doesn't seem likely the King of France's mother would be able to wed a man like Charles Brandon. She might remarry (the Duke of Lorraine?) but the Brandons and subsequently the Grey sisters seem safely butterflied. Would Edward seek to elevate Elizabeth? Mary I might favor her Catholic kinsmen which could result in a younger child of the elder Mary's being named her heir, Charlotte de Valois (given the absence of Henri), or even Charles IX being named King of England and warring against Elizabeth. Philip would not like that of course.
 
  • Expanding on this scenario, what might happen to England assuming things go relative as IOTL? It doesn't seem likely the King of France's mother would be able to wed a man like Charles Brandon. She might remarry (the Duke of Lorraine?)
  • but the Brandons and subsequently the Grey sisters seem safely butterflied. Would Edward seek to elevate Elizabeth?
  • Mary I might favor her Catholic kinsmen which could result in a younger child of the elder Mary's being named her heir, Charlotte de Valois (given the absence of Henri), or even Charles IX being named King of England and warring against Elizabeth. Philip would not like that of course.
To answer your points:

  • Mary Tudor, Queen of France is probably going to want to remarry. She's a young woman in a court filled with eligible/semi-eligible men who will be trying to woo her. I could actually see her trying for Charles Brandon ITL, if just because she does seem to have been highly attracted to him. We could see her marrying the Duke of Lorraine, but the most likely choice I see if some handsome, lower born noble boy who'll sweep her off her feet and manage to lose her place in her son's regency and upbringing.
  • Edward really only has the choice of Elizabeth, Edward Courtney or he Poles. He's probably going to try for Elizabeth, which is going to get her killed. However, if he goes for Edward Courtney, which might happen if he's convinced that'll keep England Protestant, then Elizabeth will probably survived and that'll speed up the marriage to Spain, which might let her have a baby. Unlikely, but this could lead to an Anglo/Spanish union.
  • Mary ITL, if she has no heir, is not going to suggest an Anglo/French union. It'd fail, destroy the Anglo/Hapsburg alliance and screw everyone over.
One thing I just thought of is that Mary, Queen of Scots has no Dauphin of the right age to marry. Sure, ITL's Louis XIII of France exists, but he's 11 years her junior. So she's going to be more readily available. Hell, ITL she might marry the same person, but the Duke of Brittany and Count of Angouleme's son. But that's under the impression that family is the same, which it won't be.
 
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