WI Mary of Burgundy was born a boy?

I'm not sure if it was already done, but as I couldn't find an older thread about it I decided to start this one.

So, if Charles the Bold's only child had been born a boy instead of a girl, what would be the immediate consequences? Would Charles still marry Margaret of York now he has a male heir? Would the Netherlands still get the concessions they got from Mary in order to support her? And, without the alliance with the Habsburgs, could the Burgundian territories survive the French expansion?
 
So this guy comes to the Throne at the age of 19. His father was kind of mad, certainly made bad decisions. But I don't think burgundy is in a bad situation. Survival is definitely possible.

I have a question though: didn't the Dukes of Burgundy still technically owe fealty to the King of France? Or the Holy Roman Emperor?

France seemed to be too absorbed in conquering Italy than the Netherlands or the Rhine or Franche Comte. So if because of zero international support for Burgundy (which I doubt), France might turn their attention towards the conquest Duchy of Burgundy. This I think would end up similar to the Italian situation: a lot of blood with very little gained in the long run.

I still think that France will ignore the Burgundian lands and instead pursue Italy.
 
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Now that I have read the Wiki page on Louis XI it seems that destruction of Burgundy might very well be the top of the list of things to do. The burgundian wars seem to have gotten nowhere until Charles' death. Which still might be a big deal.

But the league of the Public weal might be reformed or some other noble rebellion. But this version of the war would involve the Swiss.

Considering how poorly the last rebellion went militarily, the young duke might be wise to accept a loss of territory but gain greater independence.
 
Now that I have read the Wiki page on Louis XI it seems that destruction of Burgundy might very well be the top of the list of things to do. The burgundian wars seem to have gotten nowhere until Charles' death. Which still might be a big deal.

But the league of the Public weal might be reformed or some other noble rebellion. But this version of the war would involve the Swiss.

Considering how poorly the last rebellion went militarily, the young duke might be wise to accept a loss of territory but gain greater independence.

Do you think that the losses suffered by Burgundy would then be greater than if suffered with Mary and Maximilian as dukes?

BTW, now that Mary doesn't exist, who would be a probable wife to Maximilian?
 
It seems that any conflict between Burgundy and the French King was considered a civil conflict. So Burgundy will not be independent.

It seems that the Duchy of Burgundy is still ruled by the French King basically. But it is the right of Phillip IV (lets say) to rule his inheritance. The French King might be fine with that since upsetting inheritance is a easy way to cause a general Noble Rebellion.

If independence is the goal of the new Duke I wonder how hard it would be. If the Holy Roman Emperor just for the hell of it invests him as a King would that really be the end of it? Or would that be causus belli for France to really pound Burgundy? Would the Emperor really profit from having another kingdom right next door?

Could the Burgundy do it another way by sacrificing the Duchy of Burgundy to France and become the Counts of Burgundy within the Holy Roman Empire? If Burgundy is under threat from France in such an existential way I would imagine that some kind of Great Priviledge would be inacted.

Now for who Maximillian marries might alter the situation. In otl he was married by proxy to Anne of Brittany. I think it would be interesting if he went on ahead and married Anne of Brittany, which as OTL broke the Treaty of Vergers. But perhaps because Mary isn't around to catch Max's eye he goes on ahead and fight the French. Even perhaps by giving crowning the Duke of Burgundy!
 
It seems that any conflict between Burgundy and the French King was considered a civil conflict. So Burgundy will not be independent.

It seems that the Duchy of Burgundy is still ruled by the French King basically. But it is the right of Phillip IV (lets say) to rule his inheritance. The French King might be fine with that since upsetting inheritance is a easy way to cause a general Noble Rebellion.

If independence is the goal of the new Duke I wonder how hard it would be. If the Holy Roman Emperor just for the hell of it invests him as a King would that really be the end of it? Or would that be causus belli for France to really pound Burgundy? Would the Emperor really profit from having another kingdom right next door?

Could the Burgundy do it another way by sacrificing the Duchy of Burgundy to France and become the Counts of Burgundy within the Holy Roman Empire? If Burgundy is under threat from France in such an existential way I would imagine that some kind of Great Priviledge would be inacted.

Now for who Maximillian marries might alter the situation. In otl he was married by proxy to Anne of Brittany. I think it would be interesting if he went on ahead and married Anne of Brittany, which as OTL broke the Treaty of Vergers. But perhaps because Mary isn't around to catch Max's eye he goes on ahead and fight the French. Even perhaps by giving crowning the Duke of Burgundy!

But this possility of a "Kingdom of Burgundy" be created by the Emperor really exised IOTL or was more a desire of the Burgundian Dukes?

BTW, as we are talking about marriages, if this "Philip" of Burgundy becomes duke at 19 years old then we probably marry as fast as possibly in order to secure a successor. Who could be a good bride to him giving the political situation?
 
But this possility of a "Kingdom of Burgundy" be created by the Emperor really exised IOTL or was more a desire of the Burgundian Dukes?

BTW, as we are talking about marriages, if this "Philip" of Burgundy becomes duke at 19 years old then we probably marry as fast as possibly in order to secure a successor. Who could be a good bride to him giving the political situation?
When Maximilian first entered into negotiations for Mary's hand in marriage, one of Charles the Bold's demands was that Friedrich III elevate him to the status of King. Maximilian however saw this for what it was, a grab at power by Charles that he hoped would help elevate him to the Imperial Throne on Friedrich's death, and Maximilian rebuffed him.

As for "Philip's" wife, thats a toughy, there is Anne of France, but I think that's unlikely. Maybe Catherine of Navarre, but I think she's too young for him even in this period.The best option I can offer is Margaret of Denmark.
 
As for "Philip's" wife, thats a toughy, there is Anne of France, but I think that's unlikely. Maybe Catherine of Navarre, but I think she's too young for him even in this period.The best option I can offer is Margaret of Denmark.

Just an idea: considering that "Philip's" mother was Margaret of York, maybe he could be betrothed to her brother (Edward IV) eldest daughter: Elizabeth of York (who would marry IOTL Henry Tudor). It could have interesting consequences in England.

Other option could be Kunigunde of Austria, if we still go with an Burgundian-Imperial alliance. Kunigunde married the Duke of Bavaria against the will of her father, and it only happened in 1487, so I think it wouldn't be so difficult to have her betrothed to "Philip of Burgundy" earlier.
 
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