WI: Mary I marries the other Philip?

Mary Tudor was at one time considered as a possible bride for Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg, who never married historically. If Wikipedia can be trusted, the Lutheran Philip and Catholic Mary were smitten. What would be the long-term effects for England of such a marriage? Presumably, their heir(s) would be protestants....
 
King Henry did not allow this match to succeed due to the fact that the Duke was related to queen consort Anne of Cleves, if Prince Philip can hold out until after the quuen consort is divorced on 9th July 1540.

Married in late 1540 or early 41, would make Lady Mary, thirty-four years old, more likely to have a child then she did at 46.
 
King Henry did not allow this match to succeed due to the fact that the Duke was related to queen consort Anne of Cleves, if Prince Philip can hold out until after the quuen consort is divorced on 9th July 1540.

Married in late 1540 or early 41, would make Lady Mary, thirty-four years old, more likely to have a child then she did at 46.

Color me confused, since I don't get how Philipp's relation to Anna couts AGAINST him. It was one of the few things counting FOR him, so I would say that the divorce would need to be postponed (perhaps cause Anna is believed to be enceinte, or Henry needs the Protestant League on side a little longer with a Franco-Imperial threat rthat doesn't evaporate so quckly)
 
Color me confused, since I don't get how Philipp's relation to Anna couts AGAINST him. It was one of the few things counting FOR him, so I would say that the divorce would need to be postponed (perhaps cause Anna is believed to be enceinte, or Henry needs the Protestant League on side a little longer with a Franco-Imperial threat rthat doesn't evaporate so quckly)

I'm only stating what has been said. Philip proposed to Mary in 1539 and Henry said no, maybe due to fear of looking to favour one family over the others in Germany?

If Mary travels back to the Duchy of Palatinate-Neuburg, is there not a chance that the catholics would try and assassinate Philip to place Mary and her child as the new rulers of Palatinate-Neuburg?

What happens when King Edward dies? Does Mary's claim get skipped in OTL and Lady Jane Grey become queen without any revolt? Would Mary or her children have a posistion within the line of succession?
 
Hal didn't like the idea of the match from the get-go, but what completely turned him off about it was the fact that Philipp wanted to use English political muscle to extend his influence in Germany.
 
Not gonna happen. Mary herself was opposed to marrying a heretic and Henry would never allow such a potential rival to leave England. It fact it was one of the few things father and daughter agreed upon.
 
Not gonna happen is likely but this is alt history so let's assume Mary marries for the sake of argument.

Evidence suggests the two were as fond as two people of different religous views could be. Mary is 24 at the time, not 34. The perfect age for children.

Phil still dies in 1541, meaning the marriage is short but happy.

1) Perhaps Mary is a mother of a legit kid who will be 17ish in 1558. Since she is a single mother and perhaps away out Henry (and Edward's) grasp the kid could be Protestant or Catholic depending on how much power Mary has over her kids upbringing (circumstances could vary greatly). Boy would be named Phillip or Edward, girl Katherine or Jane (after Jane Seymour).

2) Mary, having the happiest time of her life caused by a marriage to a Lutheran, mellows. She is still a devout Catholic, but she is saner, happier, less embittered and while still pushing poppery, is more diplomatic about it. Not an expert on what killed her but perhaps a little less stress means a longer life.
 
Evidence suggests the two were as fond as two people of different religous views could be. Mary is 24 at the time, not 34. The perfect age for children.
:oops: oh yer, maths wasn't my strongest point. So at 24, she is at an even better age to have a child.

Phil still dies in 1541, meaning the marriage is short but happy.
In OTL, Philip died on 4th July 1548, so if they marry in 1539/40 that is still 8-9 years of happy marriage and gives us plenty of room to see Mary get pregnant.


1) Perhaps Mary is a mother of a legit kid who will be 17ish in 1558. Since she is a single mother and perhaps away out Henry (and Edward's) grasp the kid could be Protestant or Catholic depending on how much power Mary has over her kids upbringing (circumstances could vary greatly). Boy would be named Phillip or Edward, girl Katherine or Jane (after Jane Seymour).

Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (B. 1503-D. 1548) m. Lady Mary Tudor of England (B. 1516)

1) Philip II, Elector of Palatine and Saxony and Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (B. 1540) Succeeded his childless uncle, Otto-Henry as Elector Palatine in 1559 at the age of 19, m. Anna of Saxony, the heiress of Maurice, Elector of Saxony
2) Katherine, Duchess of Austria (B. 1541) M. in 1555, John Frederick II, Duke of Saxony (1529-1595) A nephew of Anne of Cleves.
3) Jane, Duchess of Austria (B. 1544)M. in 1560 to Charles II of Austria (B. 1540–D. 1590).
4) Edward, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (B. 1545) M. his cousin Elisabeth of Simmern (B. 1540–D. 1594)
5) Maria, Margravine of Brandenburg-Ansbach(B. 1547) M. George Frederick, Margrave of Brandenburg-Ansbach (B.1539 - 1603)
6) Frederick, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (Posthumous birth 1548)
 
In 8/9 years we would probably see 4/5 pregnancies with 1-3 children surviving to adulthood. Let's go 2 to make it plausible and here's a scenario:

Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (b.1503: d.1548) m. Mary I of England (b.1516: d.1558) (a)

1a) Catherine of the Palatine (b.1542) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b.1534: d.1588) (a)

1a) Frederick III of Denmark (b.1561: d.1590) m. Sophie of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (b.1557: d.1631) (a)

2a) Christian IV of Denmark (b.1566)

3a) John, Prince-Bishopric of Schwerin (b.1570)​

2a) Miscarriage (c.1543)

3a) Stillborn Boy (c.1544)

4a) Philip Edward II, Elector Palatine (b.1546: d.1591) m. Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria (b.1552: d.1612) (a)

1a) Philip III, Elector Palatine (b.1571)

2a) Edward VII of England (b.1574)

3a) Maria of the Palatine (b.1576)

4a) Otto Charles, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (b.1580)

5a) Stillborn Boy (c.1582)

6a) Anne of the Palatine (b.1583: d.1584)​

5a) Stillborn Boy (c.1548)​
 
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