WI: Majapahit discovers the Galleon Trade

What if the Majapahit discover the Galleon trade, they were holding the Northern Luzon as their vassals and traded with Satsuma and Okinawa via Northern Luzon, what if the Majapahit discover the Eastern Coast of Americas, the Aztecs and the Incas accidentally, what would be the consequences of this?
 
Okay, this is confusing. So...

First of all, the Galleon Trade only happened because Spain already controlled a route going from Europe to Asia from the Americas. It came full force in the 17th century, even as the Dutch pirates made it increasingly difficult to trade.

Second, the Majapahit Empire, such as it was, barely controlled Sulu at its height, being a very regional player, not sending out expeditions where they knew there was nothing but wilderness. By the time the Galleon Trade even started, they had long passed into the dust of history, crushed underfoot by the rising Muslim sultanates.

Third, the Pacific is big, and there is no incentive for anyone to send out expeditions to what is practically the middle of nowhere. The Europeans knew the world was round and wanted to get to China without dealing with Muslims or worse, Venetians. The Majapahit have no comparable desire, save perhaps to escape the fall and the Muslim sultanates. Which is why they came here.

All this makes it impossible for the Majapahit as we know them to go across the ocean and meet the Aztecs and Incas as we know them, let alone start a large-scale trading network across an impossibly vast ocean (to them) for resources the Majapahit already have.
 
Did they have any real reason to send ships out into the unknown like that? To reach Europe or something? It's not an easy route. You'd have to suddenly have huge interaction with Micronesia (for what reason?) to even get ships sailing out into the unknown like that. And then Hawaii (supposedly and probably discovered by the Spanish). And then even further beyond, the West Coast, which according to the usual Galleon route will dump you somewhere along the California Coast. And since you've been trading with what are basically primitives the entire way to motivate your voyages, I suppose the California Indians (or Sonoran Indians, say) will be good enough trading partners. Maybe then you'll follow things down to the Pacific Coast Mesoamerican polities which might be much more interesting than Micronesian/Polynesian/various American Indian groups.

Honestly, the best way for Asia to discover the New World is through Kamchatka and Alaska, simply because it's closer. Once they realise there's a land that big out there they might do something or try and find a way aside from going the stormy and rough route around Kamchatka and the Bering Sea. But that inherently is favouring China and Japan (and possibly Korea and a Manchu state too) instead of any other Asian state. Anything else is basically a resource-intensive way of committing suicide by sailing your boat as far out as you can. And you won't even survive (as you probably intended), since you probably didn't bring enough provisions to survive in the first place.
 
If there's anything Majapahit is going to colonize, it's going to be Australia. Just get a few ships blown off-course a la Leif Erikson, and you get a colonization of Australia.

The Americas, on the other hand....
 
Okay, this is confusing. So...

First of all, the Galleon Trade only happened because Spain already controlled a route going from Europe to Asia from the Americas. It came full force in the 17th century, even as the Dutch pirates made it increasingly difficult to trade.

Second, the Majapahit Empire, such as it was, barely controlled Sulu at its height, being a very regional player, not sending out expeditions where they knew there was nothing but wilderness. By the time the Galleon Trade even started, they had long passed into the dust of history, crushed underfoot by the rising Muslim sultanates.

Third, the Pacific is big, and there is no incentive for anyone to send out expeditions to what is practically the middle of nowhere. The Europeans knew the world was round and wanted to get to China without dealing with Muslims or worse, Venetians. The Majapahit have no comparable desire, save perhaps to escape the fall and the Muslim sultanates. Which is why they came here.

All this makes it impossible for the Majapahit as we know them to go across the ocean and meet the Aztecs and Incas as we know them, let alone start a large-scale trading network across an impossibly vast ocean (to them) for resources the Majapahit already have.

Did they have any real reason to send ships out into the unknown like that? To reach Europe or something? It's not an easy route. You'd have to suddenly have huge interaction with Micronesia (for what reason?) to even get ships sailing out into the unknown like that. And then Hawaii (supposedly and probably discovered by the Spanish). And then even further beyond, the West Coast, which according to the usual Galleon route will dump you somewhere along the California Coast. And since you've been trading with what are basically primitives the entire way to motivate your voyages, I suppose the California Indians (or Sonoran Indians, say) will be good enough trading partners. Maybe then you'll follow things down to the Pacific Coast Mesoamerican polities which might be much more interesting than Micronesian/Polynesian/various American Indian groups.

Honestly, the best way for Asia to discover the New World is through Kamchatka and Alaska, simply because it's closer. Once they realise there's a land that big out there they might do something or try and find a way aside from going the stormy and rough route around Kamchatka and the Bering Sea. But that inherently is favouring China and Japan (and possibly Korea and a Manchu state too) instead of any other Asian state. Anything else is basically a resource-intensive way of committing suicide by sailing your boat as far out as you can. And you won't even survive (as you probably intended), since you probably didn't bring enough provisions to survive in the first place.

If there's anything Majapahit is going to colonize, it's going to be Australia. Just get a few ships blown off-course a la Leif Erikson, and you get a colonization of Australia.

The Americas, on the other hand....


But didn't the Sri Vijaya discover Madagascar, but didn't bother for Australia? so I was thinking of Americas with Silver and Gold Trade as a project of Majapahit..
 
But didn't the Sri Vijaya discover Madagascar, but didn't bother for Australia? so I was thinking of Americas with Silver and Gold Trade as a project of Majapahit..

You're confusing the Srivijaya and Majapahit for the Austronesian peoples as a whole. Just because the proto-Malagasy sailed across the Indian Ocean to Madagascar, and the Polynesians went off island hopping across the Pacific, does not mean the empires of the Malays know anything about those lands. Nor does it mean they have any desire to cross the oceans themselves.
 
You're confusing the Srivijaya and Majapahit for the Austronesian peoples as a whole. Just because the proto-Malagasy sailed across the Indian Ocean to Madagascar, and the Polynesians went off island hopping across the Pacific, does not mean the empires of the Malays know anything about those lands. Nor does it mean they have any desire to cross the oceans themselves.
But didn't the Malagassy migrated around the time when Sri Vijaya existed..so its is not a coordinated voyage however if they reestablish contact with Malagassy later on an Indian Ocean trade network might be possible.
 
But didn't the Malagassy migrated around the time when Sri Vijaya existed..so its is not a coordinated voyage however if they reestablish contact with Malagassy later on an Indian Ocean trade network might be possible.

The Maori also migrated to New Zealand during the start of the 13th century. Doesn't mean the Srivijaya can establish a trade network with New Zealand.

As for the Indian Ocean, the Srivijaya and Majapahit already had connections and knowledge of the west, being part of that large trade network from Europe, through the Muslim lands, to India and the Indies. There already was trade going on there with the Muslims and the other East Africans. So I admit, I misspoke there.

But again, there's a difference between that and the whole Pacific.
 
The Maori also migrated to New Zealand during the start of the 13th century. Doesn't mean the Srivijaya can establish a trade network with New Zealand.

As for the Indian Ocean, the Srivijaya and Majapahit already had connections and knowledge of the west, being part of that large trade network from Europe, through the Muslim lands, to India and the Indies. There already was trade going on there with the Muslims and the other East Africans. So I admit, I misspoke there.

But again, there's a difference between that and the whole Pacific.
The thing is that the immigrants to Madagascar are closer to the Sri Vijaya empire..so we cannot analogyze the Malagassy and the Polynesians perhaps Malagassy was settled due to the Spice trade..
 
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