WI Magyars settled elsewhere?

In many dark ages AHs, people have had different groups settle all over, but for some reason they allways have the Magyars in the same spot as OTL. The could settle elsewhere. If they swung futher north they could have ended up in Prussia. If they swung furth south, they could have ended up in the Balkans. They could have made it further west, or not gone as far. All of this could have dramaticly changed the history of europe.
 
In many dark ages AHs, people have had different groups settle all over, but for some reason they allways have the Magyars in the same spot as OTL. The could settle elsewhere. If they swung futher north they could have ended up in Prussia. If they swung furth south, they could have ended up in the Balkans. They could have made it further west, or not gone as far. All of this could have dramaticly changed the history of europe.

I have a timeline concept that involves the Byzantine Empire reaching into central Europe. This stops the Bulgars in the area of Kievan Rus, forcing the Magyars to settle between Bulgaria and Khazar holdings in the Caucasus. Here's a section of a map to go with it. Byzantines purple, Bulgars yellow-gold, Khazars pink, Magyars the dark color between Bulgars and Khazars. Eventually I have them become a Byzantine ally against the Mongols, but not yet.

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What's that pink country that controls Cyrenaica, Tripolitania, and Carthage?

Vandal successor state. Belisarius was sent against the Sassanids as well as barbarians across the Danube, such as the early Avars, in an effort to colonize virgin lands. Without the drain of spending for wars in western Europe, as well as access to new, available territories close to home, the Byzantines did a lot better in this timeline. Year of map is 1037.

Anyway, not trying to hijack or anything. :)
 
No, the Magyars could not end up in Prussia. There is no way, because Prussia has no steppe lands for the Magyars' horses.

They definitely could have settled in Bulgaria: if the Magyars had won at the Battle of Southern Buh, IMO they would proceed to subdue the Bulgars and take their place in the region.

But failing that, there is not much elsewhere the Magyars could go with this late a POD.

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Pannonia was great because it was the largest steppe in Europe, perfect for the tens of thousands of semi-nomadic Magyars, and their animals. Come to think of it, maybe after destroying Bulgaria, the weakened Magyars are overrun by the Byzantines and deported to Anatolia. There is some steppe land there, so perhaps they could make their home in the highlands (a random idea I had).
As for going further west, they did so in OTL. But again, most of Europe is poor land for steppe warriors, so they would not be interested in settling Germany or the Alps. Bulgaria and Hungary are probably the two areas farthest west possible.

But anyway, my favorite idea has always been WI the Magyars don't migrate west at all, staying in the area of OTL Moldavia and Kiev.
 
But anyway, my favorite idea has always been WI the Magyars don't migrate west at all, staying in the area of OTL Moldavia and Kiev.
They would replace Kipchaks in the list of extinct nations. BTW, Steppe people never really "owned" (although Khazars were it's overlords at some point) Kiev. It always was bordertown of farming forested North against nomadic Steppe.
 
so assuming the Magyars somehow dont get to Hungary, who does that leave dominating parts of that area? Croats?, Polaks?, Austrians? Chzeks maybe?
 
so assuming the Magyars somehow dont get to Hungary, who does that leave dominating parts of that area? Croats?, Polaks?, Austrians? Chzeks maybe?

The Bulgars would be my best bet. They claimed rule over much of the area in the 9th and 10th Centuries before the Magyars turned up.
 
The Bulgars would be my best bet. They claimed rule over much of the area in the 9th and 10th Centuries before the Magyars turned up.
Bulgars would be busy with Byzantines and Plain is a bit too far for them to control. It would be Slavic state of some kind. Slovaks and Slovenes of today are two parts of ancient tribal union. It could grow into a single nation (Slovans, if you combine names), creating Western Slavic triade of Poles, Czech and Slovans.
 
in potential combination with Croats, Serbs and Ukranians to form a pan-slavenic commonwealth
 

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so assuming the Magyars somehow dont get to Hungary, who does that leave dominating parts of that area? Croats?, Polaks?, Austrians? Chzeks maybe?

Austrian(Bavarians)/Germans will likely take the area over unless a new wave of nomads invade instead of the Magyars. When the Magyars invade the Bavarians was already settling the area. Of course the effect of having the Hungarian plains to settled on, will likely slow down the colonisation in the north.
 
Austrian(Bavarians)/Germans will likely take the area over unless a new wave of nomads invade instead of the Magyars. When the Magyars invade the Bavarians was already settling the area. Of course the effect of having the Hungarian plains to settled on, will likely slow down the colonisation in the north.
Try to see what was Great Moravia.
This state founded by Slovak (Moravians) was great force and stopped Austrian(Bavarians)/Germans - Holy roman Empire - from extending in Pannonia and slavic lands.
And it even took Orthodox Christianity to oppose german Catholic bishops.

It's a pity that due to internal feodal struggle it wasn't ready to Magyar strike.
BTW Magyars have no choice - they were driven from Kiev by east slavs, then lost their wives after Bulgar attack, and had to subdue Moravia or die.
 
Austrian(Bavarians)/Germans will likely take the area over unless a new wave of nomads invade instead of the Magyars. When the Magyars invade the Bavarians was already settling the area. Of course the effect of having the Hungarian plains to settled on, will likely slow down the colonisation in the north.
Probably not. Saxons, Flems, and Thuringians would still go beyond the Elbe, while Bavarians would go to Pannonia.

Hmm, how would a Magyar Anatolia look? :D
It's a very interesting idea. I am thinking of eventually including it in my Khazar TL. Either the Byzantines will defeat them and bring them there to buffer against the Abbasids, or the Arabs will bring them in as slaves.

BTW Magyars have no choice - they were driven from Kiev by east slavs, then lost their wives after Bulgar attack, and had to subdue Moravia or die.

Well, they did have a choice. If they had won the Battle of Southern Buh, I think they could have settled in Bulgaria instead. And movement west of the Carpathians was originally supposed to be a temporary thing, as the mountains could provide shelter from the Pechenegs and Bulgars. There is a chance that they could return east after a few years to retake Etelkuzu (their previous home in Moldova and the Ukraine), instead of settling in Pannonia.
 
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