WI MacCartney Embassy Successful?

What if the MacCartney Embassy was successful? What would need to happen in order to make this happen? How would this affect Chinese history, and trade relations between the Anglos and China? Any other repercussions?
 
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10038. Lord Macartney's Mission
China -- Not random

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Own Hebei
Will happen within 30 days of October 2, 1793
Checked again every 30 days until trigger is met (cannot happen after November 2, 1793)

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Reports have reached us that a diplomatic mission has arrived on our shores from the far-off western barbarian nation of England, led by a certain Lord Macartney. He is said to bring with him the friendly greetings of his King, ideas for facilitating the trade between our nations, and various mechanical wonders. Shall receive this mission?
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A. Reject the overtures of these rude western devils!

-100 relations with England
Innovativeness -2
Trade tech investment: -1000
Stability +3

B. We are interested in hearing their ideas

+100 relations with England
Innovativeness +1
Trade tech investment: +500
Stability -3

:D

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Someone has played too much Europa Universalis (but you forgot to check if England exist, this event shouldn't be able to happen if England don't exist).
 
What if the MacCartney Embassy was successful? What would need to happen in order to make this happen? How would this affect Chinese history, and trade relations between the Anglos and China? Any other repercussions?

The full aim of the MaCartney embassy was over ambitious, but partial success is not entirely impossible. Perhaps if the Qianlong Emperor die a few years earlier and have MaCartney received by his successor. The Jiaqing Emperor would be a younger man and perhaps still open minded enough to send an embassy to Britain.

It would take many years of direct interaction with Britain before China starts to take it seriously, in part because it's unable to grasp the idea that an island kingdom can be serious power. If the Chinese have an official presence in Europe to report on the Napoleonic Wars that would change things.
 
The full aim of the MaCartney embassy was over ambitious, but partial success is not entirely impossible. Perhaps if the Qianlong Emperor die a few years earlier and have MaCartney received by his successor. The Jiaqing Emperor would be a younger man and perhaps still open minded enough to send an embassy to Britain.

It would take many years of direct interaction with Britain before China starts to take it seriously, in part because it's unable to grasp the idea that an island kingdom can be serious power. If the Chinese have an official presence in Europe to report on the Napoleonic Wars that would change things.

What about if the British had gained holdings in the East Indies, either snatched from the Dutch or the Spanish, at some point in the previous decades? That might give the Chinese a stronger sense of British power (or more of an interest in Western technology)...
 
What about if the British had gained holdings in the East Indies, either snatched from the Dutch or the Spanish, at some point in the previous decades? That might give the Chinese a stronger sense of British power (or more of an interest in Western technology)...

Neither the Dutch nor Spanish impressed China more than the British despite their proximity. They might have taken the French more seriously though.

Maybe if the Siamese Revolution of 1688 doesn't remove French presence from East Asia and Louis XIV sends an embassy to the Kangxi Emperor. Kangxi would've liked the Sun Emperor's style. Both ruled rich continental empires and were long reigning absolute monarchs.
 
Neither the Dutch nor Spanish impressed China more than the British despite their proximity. They might have taken the French more seriously though.

Maybe if the Siamese Revolution of 1688 doesn't remove French presence from East Asia and Louis XIV sends an embassy to the Kangxi Emperor. Kangxi would've liked the Sun Emperor's style. Both ruled rich continental empires and were long reigning absolute monarchs.

My argument was not so much about the style of the European nations, but their power. The Chinese would have always have thought badly of outer barbarians culture, but they would (1) be interested in how new technologies improve their military prowess and (2) might think twice about deliberately offending a major military power on their door step. They weren't that impressed by the Spanish or the Dutch because neither was particularly powerful at this point in history. The British (or, as you say, the French) are another story.
 
My argument was not so much about the style of the European nations, but their power. The Chinese would have always have thought badly of outer barbarians culture, but they would (1) be interested in how new technologies improve their military prowess and (2) might think twice about deliberately offending a major military power on their door step. They weren't that impressed by the Spanish or the Dutch because neither was particularly powerful at this point in history. The British (or, as you say, the French) are another story.

Ah, but what did the British do in response to OTL's snub? Nothing, which should give an indication of Britain's (lack) of power at this point.

Don't forget, the embassy also showed up with a bunch of gifts and technologies that were already common in China. "We offer you clocks like the ones you can get from Guangzhou!" isn't ideal to show China how awesome the UK was.
 
Did China ever send a diplomatic mission to anyone?
Pls. note that I mean a diplomatic mission in the European sense, i.e. an envoy to a theoretically equal?
 
The full aim of the MaCartney embassy was over ambitious, but partial success is not entirely impossible. Perhaps if the Qianlong Emperor die a few years earlier and have MaCartney received by his successor. The Jiaqing Emperor would be a younger man and perhaps still open minded enough to send an embassy to Britain.

It would take many years of direct interaction with Britain before China starts to take it seriously, in part because it's unable to grasp the idea that an island kingdom can be serious power. If the Chinese have an official presence in Europe to report on the Napoleonic Wars that would change things.
So, what would all of this accomplish?
 
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