WI Louis XIV drowned at age 4?

What if Louis XIV drowned at the age of 4?

What would the world look like from the POD (1642) to the present?

(This is my first attempt at a What If)
 
There would also be no War of Spanish Succession because Philip of Anjou was a child of Louis XIV, so that also means that Juan Carlos I of Spain is never born and Spain becomes a republic after Franco's death in 1975.
 
It's quite impossible to say what France would have been like under King Philippe I, as he would have grown into a completey different person in TTL then he did in OTL.

BTW, why jump to 'no Juan Carlos doesn't automatically = Spain becoming a republic after Franco's death in 1975'? There are thousands of butterflies that will fly long before then.
 

Susano

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So if Spain doesn't become a republic, then maybe the Hapsburgs rule Spain?

You fail to see the problem. 1975 is over 350 years from the PoD. We cant make speculation about that. Only,f or now, at what happens after 1642. If you cant talk about that century, its the wrong thread for you.

Now, the real question would be, IMO: Would Philip II develop absolutism as Louis did. If yes, then teh changes wont be all that great. If not, the changes will be gigantic and europe-wide - less French aggression in the late 17th and early 18th century, and even more importantly, nor ole model for nearly every other European state.
 
So if Spain doesn't become a republic, then maybe the Hapsburgs rule Spain?

There is a gap of centuries seperating the POD and the events you are talking about. The problem is, by the time you get to the POD, you have 350 years of Spanish history, much of it directly effected by the Bourbon monarchs who In this timeline would not exist. Juan Carlos would never exist because his father, grandfather, and all the Spanish Bourbons back to Phillip V would never be born. And Franco (along with pretty much everybody else from his time) and the political situation which allowed him to rise would never exist, because of the butterflies caused by three hundred years of different Spanish leadership.

BTW, Susano, Phillip II died in 1598. Unless you mean Phillippe, duc de Orleans, who would become dauphin upon his brother's death. Although he would have been Phillip VII of France. I agree, however, that whether or not absolutism comes around would be an interesting feature of TTL
 
I imagine that Philip would have turned out much as Louis did OTL as he would have received similar training and education. All the effort put into neutralizing Philip as a potential threat/rival to his brother the king would now be put into making Philip the king!

Yes, Atreus, I looked and Louis' brother would have been Philip VII (unless of course he chose to use the name Louis during his reign)

Insertnamehere: Why would the War of the Spanish Succession not happen in TTL? Philip was also the king of Spain's 1st cousin and in line for the Spanish throne. Also, do you hear what's been said about butterflies and taking a WI TL step by step?
 
I am creating a chronological list of events in this TL so that it is easier for everyone to understand what is going on. I also encourage everyone to add more events to the list but they have to be serious and on track.
 
1742: POD. Louis XIV drowns and his younger brother Philippe becomes dauphin.

1743: Louis XIII dies and Philippe becomes Philip VII of France.

1744: ?
 
We are talking about different stages for the career of Phillipe I. His regency would be slightly longer than his brother's. I would not think the composition or actions of the regency council would change much. A stress for his early reign is the lack of a suitable heir besides his uncle. He would probably marry earlier than he did IOTL due to the same heir pressures.
 
1742: POD. Louis XIV drowns and his younger brother Philippe becomes dauphin.

1743: Louis XIII dies and Philippe becomes Philip VII of France.

1743: Philip's mother, Anne of Austria becomes sole regent of the boy king. The day to day matters of state are entrusted to Cardinal Mazarin.
 
1742: POD. Louis XIV drowns and his younger brother Philippe becomes dauphin.

1743: Louis XIII dies and Philippe becomes Philip VII of France.

1743: Philip's mother, Anne of Austria becomes sole regent of the boy king. The day to day matters of state are entrusted to Cardinal Mazarin.

1761: death of Cardinal Mazarin
 
Oops folks, we're talking the 1640's here, not the 1740's. :eek: 1st the reignal numbering and now the century. :(

damn i knew that didn't look right! any way sorry about the reignal numbering i forgot that they changed names into English (which they stopped doing in 1900ish)
 
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