Louis XI’s first son was born in 1458, but died in infancy. His next son, Joachim, born a year later, went the same route. And he remained without male issue until 1466 (called Louis in some sources, François in others), but this son also didn’t live long. Finally, in 1470, Queen Charlotte gave birth to a dauphin that later became Charles VIII. She gave birth to a second son, named the duc de Berri, in 1472, but, in emulation of his older brothers, died the following year.


Louis died before Charles VIII reached his majority, and thus appointed Anne de Beaujeu as regent for Charles. Anne steered the ship of state until after Charles’ marriage to Anne of Brittany, when she and her husband both fell out of favour with the new queen. As far as I understand it, majority in France was 13, which would’ve been June 1483 for Charles, yet his father (who only died in August) seemed to think that a regent was necessary (why?).


Now, if one of Louis’ elder sons (Louis (b.1458); Joachim (b.1459); Louis-François (b.1466)) had survived, would Anne have still been appointed regent? And how might things have gone differently for France if we had an alt-Louis XII, complete with wife (Marie of Burgundy seems the most likely candidate for Louis or Joachim; Elizabeth of York for Louis-François) and possibly children succeed instead of Anne’s lengthy regency? Obviously the chance of annexing Brittany by marriage (if it still arises) might have to wait a generation – Louis (b.1458) might have a son of Anne of Brittany’s age, though, but how else might things be different?
 
Louis XI’s first son was born in 1458, but died in infancy. His next son, Joachim, born a year later, went the same route. And he remained without male issue until 1466 (called Louis in some sources, François in others), but this son also didn’t live long. Finally, in 1470, Queen Charlotte gave birth to a dauphin that later became Charles VIII. She gave birth to a second son, named the duc de Berri, in 1472, but, in emulation of his older brothers, died the following year.


Louis died before Charles VIII reached his majority, and thus appointed Anne de Beaujeu as regent for Charles. Anne steered the ship of state until after Charles’ marriage to Anne of Brittany, when she and her husband both fell out of favour with the new queen. As far as I understand it, majority in France was 13, which would’ve been June 1483 for Charles, yet his father (who only died in August) seemed to think that a regent was necessary (why?).


Now, if one of Louis’ elder sons (Louis (b.1458); Joachim (b.1459); Louis-François (b.1466)) had survived, would Anne have still been appointed regent? And how might things have gone differently for France if we had an alt-Louis XII, complete with wife (Marie of Burgundy seems the most likely candidate for Louis or Joachim; Elizabeth of York for Louis-François) and possibly children succeed instead of Anne’s lengthy regency? Obviously the chance of annexing Brittany by marriage (if it still arises) might have to wait a generation – Louis (b.1458) might have a son of Anne of Brittany’s age, though, but how else might things be different?

The majority of the Kings, since 1379, was the "14th year of the King". It was variously interpreted as "the day after the 13th birthday" (start of the 14th year) or "the 14th birthday". It was only settled for Louis XIII in 1610. If any older sons had lived, no regent would be named in 1483.

Very interesting variation : an Austria-like marriage string could occur.

1. Louis XI, King of France
1.1. Louis XII, King of France (1458-1505) m. (1474) Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457-1523)
1.1.1. Charles VIII, King of France (1479-1509) m. Anne, Duchess of Britanny (1477-1514)
1.1.1.1. Mary of France (1500-1564) m. Charles IX
1.1.2. Louis XIII, King of France (1483-1528)
1.1.2.1. Charles IX, King of France (1503-1573)
 
The majority of the Kings, since 1379, was the "14th year of the King". It was variously interpreted as "the day after the 13th birthday" (start of the 14th year) or "the 14th birthday". It was only settled for Louis XIII in 1610. If any older sons had lived, no regent would be named in 1483.

Very interesting variation : an Austria-like marriage string could occur.

1. Louis XI, King of France
1.1. Louis XII, King of France (1458-1505) m. (1474) Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457-1523)
1.1.1. Charles VIII, King of France (1479-1509) m. Anne, Duchess of Britanny (1477-1514)
1.1.1.1. Mary of France (1500-1564) m. Charles IX
1.1.2. Louis XIII, King of France (1483-1528)
1.1.2.1. Charles IX, King of France (1503-1573)

It could certainly make things interesting. But how would France develop if there was an of-age successor to pass the throne to? Would the Italian Wars start earlier? Would they start at all? How might it affect Anne and Jeanne de Valois' marriages if they have a brother who'll be able to ride and reign, if at all?
 
It could certainly make things interesting. But how would France develop if there was an of-age successor to pass the throne to? Would the Italian Wars start earlier? Would they start at all? How might it affect Anne and Jeanne de Valois' marriages if they have a brother who'll be able to ride and reign, if at all?
Imagine the Italian wars might start much earlier or be delayed depending on Orleans influence over him. No regency, which could
Mean the kid either continues the fathers policies
 
It could certainly make things interesting. But how would France develop if there was an of-age successor to pass the throne to? Would the Italian Wars start earlier? Would they start at all? How might it affect Anne and Jeanne de Valois' marriages if they have a brother who'll be able to ride and reign, if at all?

Italy was Charles VIII's heart project. Would his brother have another ambition for France ? Securing the Burgundian inheritance is certainly work enough.
 
Italy was Charles VIII's heart project. Would his brother have another ambition for France ? Securing the Burgundian inheritance is certainly work enough.

Well, if his older brother is perhaps married to Marie of Burgundy, securing the Burgundian Inheritance should be simpler than OTL, would it not? And also, if the direct Valois came once more into the possession of the Burgundian territories, through inheritance, would they be split off from the royal line again? Or would they be welded to it, and the title be detached from the sovereignty?
 
Well, if his older brother is perhaps married to Marie of Burgundy, securing the Burgundian Inheritance should be simpler than OTL, would it not? And also, if the direct Valois came once more into the possession of the Burgundian territories, through inheritance, would they be split off from the royal line again? Or would they be welded to it, and the title be detached from the sovereignty?
I think the french territory so the duchy of Burgundy Artois etc would be incorporated into the royal domain and if they are given away it would be as appanage so once the male die-out it will come back to the royal family so that will rule out the risk of the territory getting into Foreign Hand via marriage inheritance for the other territory i have no idea.
 
Another possibility is for Louis XI to marry Eleanor of Portugal, Eleanor hated that match that is why the proposition did not push through.
 
I think the french territory so the duchy of Burgundy Artois etc would be incorporated into the royal domain and if they are given away it would be as appanage so once the male die-out it will come back to the royal family so that will rule out the risk of the territory getting into Foreign Hand via marriage inheritance for the other territory i have no idea.

Makes sense. And then we have a great blue blob stretching from the Mediterranean to the North Sea. Burgundy was exceptionally wealthy, so might this spur earlier French endeavours in Italy/Brittany/wherever? Or would the Italian wars as we know them be butterflied away?
 
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