WI:Longshanks conquers Scotland.

Ak-84

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OTL, Longshanks was possibly the greatest King of England (despite what a certain Yank born Aussie w.ould have you believe). Subjugated Wales, almost did the same to Scotland. What can eliminate the "almost" from the previous statement.

Lets give him a few more years of health, in 1307 he defeats Robert the Bruce (OTL he was going on a campaign against him when he died) and English control over Scotland is strenghtene. Its idiot-proof, when Ed II takes over the rebellions do not end English authority and the matter is settled forever when Edward III shows up. Scotland is incorporated into the Kingdom of England, like Wales was.

How dose this change history. Bright side; no Braveheart!
 
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I have 2 problems with this. The main one is France. I can't see the French allowing this to happen. They would support Scottish rebellions whenever possible. Edward's conquest would have to be really strong. I can't see it lasting Edward II's reign.
 
For starters, Longshanks didn't want to be King of Scotland. He wasn't that daft. He wanted a Scotland which was his vassal/fief - compliant, politically subservient, and ready to provide support in foreign wars.

It's difficult to tell how realistic this ever was. Based on what happened in OTL, militarily, it seems to have been a nonsense; Scotland was not Wales, either politically or geographically.

I'm no expert here, but the best outcome to me seems to be a secure Balliol dynasty, with the Plantangenets using military force - if at all - much more judiciously than in OTL. If you can keep the Balliol candidacy credible, but with English backing, then that might mean a more favourable outcome for the English.
 

Ak-84

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Both Longshanks and Edward III were able to defeat Scots in Scotland, so militarily it is definatly possib;e


Even if Scotland is not incorporated into England immidietly, a situation where English overlordship becomes an absorbtion over time could happen...as did with Wales in OTL. I could see it occuring in Edward III reign.
 
Both Longshanks and Edward III were able to defeat Scots in Scotland, so militarily it is definatly possib;e

Lonkshanks and Edward III quite clearly weren't able to defeat the Scots to the extent that they could establish a permanent hold over Scotland. All it took to blunt Longshank's advance to the extent that he effectively had to abandon his campaign was six thousand poorly armed Scots irregulars.
 

Ak-84

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Longshanks defeated every attempt against him, and I rather suspect he would have defeated Robert the Bruce as well.

Pacification would take longer, but with Scotland garrisoned it would be inevitable. It took 150 years in Wales.
 

Ak-84

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Essentially what effect would there be of a "proto-Great Britain" in the 14th century?

Maybe the 100 years wars are won by England (and this time it really is true when you use England as a synonym for Britain), with France becoming a bit like Ireland in OTL? Far fetched I know.
 
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