WI Lenin dies do to the 1905 revolution?

Genghis Kawaii

Gone Fishin'
After the failure of the 1905 Russian Revoltion, Lenin fled into exile. Numberous others involved were executed. Were Lenin to at some point be captured, he could be among them. He could also be shot resisting arrest, "shot resisting arrest", or commit suicide to avoid arrest. There are many opportunities for the revolution to lead to his death.

With Lenin gone, how do things look for the Bolsheviks in 1917? Do they have any sort of chance? If not, what is the provisional government likely to lead to for Russia? What's the worst that can happen? What's the best that can happen?
 
there were three occasion were Lenin could had die.
his time as Farmer he just escaped a lynch mob (they killed the guy who had buy the Farm from lenin)
during the 1905 failed revolution
and during October Revolution Lenin walk for hours true Moscow from his hiding-place to Bolshevik HQ.

So October Revolution with out Lenin, the Liberals and social democrats would gain control of Duma
while the Bolshevik party collapse.
 

Genghis Kawaii

Gone Fishin'
With the Liberals and Social Democrats in control, how is Russia going to be ruled in the coming years? How would the economy look under democracy? What about social issues?
 
With the Liberals and Social Democrats in control, how is Russia going to be ruled in the coming years? How would the economy look under democracy? What about social issues?

Very difficult to tell. It's hard to imagine that anyone could be worse than the Bolsheviks, but history is always full of surprises. The Menshiviks are one of those "if only . . . everything would be so much better" lost causes in the books.

I do however believe that this would butterfly away Hitler's rise to power in Germany due to the less inspiration for and fear of communism.
 
There is several factors to consider in Revolution of 1917 and the Russian civil war from 1917-1923

Russia is still at war with German Empire
the Tzar Family is still alive (it was Lenin who gave the order to murder them)
the "Red" were heavy divided and fracture (even under Lenin control)
Leo Trotsky and Joseph Stalin

during the Civil War were several fraction,
the Soviets: a union of various communist, radical socialist fraction under control of Leo Trotsky on oder of Lenin.
White movement: restore the absolute monarchy and believed in a united multinational Russia.
while baltic states fight for Independence.
Green Army: Nationalist Ukraine's who wanted a independent State.
the Left wing politician in Moscow how upraised against the Bolshevik
while the Revolt of Czechoslovak Legion wipe out the Bolshevik in siberia
and also intervention by French and British forces.

without Lenin the Bolshevik are Lost ?
that depend on Leo Trotsky and Joseph Stalin
Stalin was not yet elected in central committee of the Bolshevik and was "bodyguard" for Lenin (if Lenin was killed in October Revolution 1917, Stalin head had rolled)
Leo Trotsky founder of Red army, could had replace Lenin role in the Bolshevik movement, but had transform them in a Trotskyism Movement
 

Genghis Kawaii

Gone Fishin'
Very difficult to tell. It's hard to imagine that anyone could be worse than the Bolsheviks, but history is always full of surprises. The Menshiviks are one of those "if only . . . everything would be so much better" lost causes in the books.

I do however believe that this would butterfly away Hitler's rise to power in Germany due to the less inspiration for and fear of communism.
I wonder if the Menshiviks would have been better or worse than Liberals or Social Democrats. They sound nice in theory, but so did Bolshevism, and we all know how nice that turned out to be.
 

Genghis Kawaii

Gone Fishin'
There is several factors to consider in Revolution of 1917 and the Russian civil war from 1917-1923

Russia is still at war with German Empire
the Tzar Family is still alive (it was Lenin who gave the order to murder them)
the "Red" were heavy divided and fracture (even under Lenin control)
Leo Trotsky and Joseph Stalin

during the Civil War were several fraction,
the Soviets: a union of various communist, radical socialist fraction under control of Leo Trotsky on oder of Lenin.
White movement: restore the absolute monarchy and believed in a united multinational Russia.
while baltic states fight for Independence.
Green Army: Nationalist Ukraine's who wanted a independent State.
the Left wing politician in Moscow how upraised against the Bolshevik
while the Revolt of Czechoslovak Legion wipe out the Bolshevik in siberia
and also intervention by French and British forces.

without Lenin the Bolshevik are Lost ?
that depend on Leo Trotsky and Joseph Stalin
Stalin was not yet elected in central committee of the Bolshevik and was "bodyguard" for Lenin (if Lenin was killed in October Revolution 1917, Stalin head had rolled)
Leo Trotsky founder of Red army, could had replace Lenin role in the Bolshevik movement, but had transform them in a Trotskyism Movement
With Trotsky at the head, are the Bolsheviks in better or worse shape than with Lenin.
 
With Trotsky at the head, are the Bolsheviks in better or worse shape than with Lenin.

I doubt Trotsky would have ended up in charge. As has been noted several times on this board he was not a very good politician and OTL he turned down Lenin's offer to become Chair of Sovnarkom. He would definitely be in charge of the Red Army during the Russian Revolution but I think what's more likely for the top job would be Bukharin or Zinoviev with Stalin dead for failing to keep Lenin alive.

For some important things to consider: Trotsky tried to end War Communism a full year before Kronstadt due to growing discontent in the countryside and the Ban on Factions was something Lenin came up with. No Lenin means it is possible War Communism could end a year sooner (which is a VERY good thing for Russia) and the Workers' Opposition might get a shot at a fair hearing instead of being rounded up and arrested. If that happens you could end up with a VERY different USSR; at the minimum you would avoid the nightmare that was Stalin.
 
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