WI: Le Mort de Napoleon

I'm thinking of writing a timeline starting with the death of Napoleon at the height of the Empire (1807-1812), anytime before he crosses the Nieman for the invasion of Russia. Still, this vast period of time gives me several options for possible PODs. Below are the ones I have picked out as most likely and agreeable to me:

1. 1808 Spain - Napoleon spent much of 1808 in Spain saving his brother's new realm from the national insurrection that had begun in May. At one point in the autumn, although I cant find any sources, I remember that there was a scare in Paris that Napoleon had died. If he had died, at this time he was still married to Josephine and without issue, so Joseph would have immediately become Emperor.

Joseph I's first act, I think, would be to evacuate Spain and return it to the Spanish Bourbons in exchange for a renewed alliance against Britain and Portugal. He had already begged his brother earlier in the year to let him abdicate and return to Naples, now with the power in his hands, Joseph would definitely have no qualms about "cutting and running" from the Iberian war.

But how would the rest of Europe react to Joseph's rise. Britain was still committed to the restoration of the Bourbons, but would their erstwile continental allies agree with a more amiable Bonaparte on the throne?

2. 1809 Austria - Napoleon dies during the war on the Danube (he had many close calls during this campaign OTL). Again Joseph ascends to the Imperial Crown, but come to it at war with a great power, along with the threat of German insurrection, Prussian intervention, and a rumored British descent on the North Sea coasts.

3. 1811 to April 1812 - Napoleon (either by old wounds, disease, or assassination) dies before or soon after the birth of the King of Rome, but before he can launch the invasion of Russia. This time Napoleon has a son and the regency passes to Marie Louise (as it did OTL in 1814). This is a very interesting option to me because it binds Austrian interest to Napoleonic France for the long haul, imho. The daughter and grandson of Emperor Francis rule the hegemonic power of Europe now; why would Austria ever again join the Allies to unseat their blood for the sake of the Bourbons. OTL Francis was almost for this opinion and it was only the specter of a livling Napoleon prevented Russia and Austria supporting the option of Napoleon II reigning.

What do yall think?
 
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3. 1811 to April 1812 - Napoleon (either by old wounds, disease, or assassination) dies before or soon after the birth of the King of Rome, but before he can launch the invasion of Russia. This time Napoleon has a son and the regency passes to Marie Louise (as it did OTL in 1814). This is a very interesting option to me because it binds Austrian interest to Napoleonic France for the long haul, imho. The daughter and grandson of Emperor Francis rule the hegemonic power of Europe now; why would Austria ever again join the Allies to unseat their blood for the sake of the Bourbons. OTL Francis was almost fo this opinion and it was only the specter of a livling Napoleon prevented Russia and Austria supporting the option of Napoleon II regining.

What do yall think?
You could twist it and turn it, untill the Haspurgs controll all Europe in a huge Franco-Austrian Empire!
IV! Come and give us a hand!:D
 
Napoleon really was the glue that held the Empire together, I'd imagine his deth would be followed by various sucessionist movements
 
You could twist it and turn it, untill the Haspurgs controll all Europe in a huge Franco-Austrian Empire!
IV! Come and give us a hand!:D
Alles Erdreich ist Österreich untertan!

Erm with that said. The first Marie-Louise would do as regent would likely restore all of the territory that had been striped from her father's realms. Now while this would bind Austria and France (so long as Marie-Louise remained regent) and increase Austria's power, I have two problems:

1. I'm not terribly sure Marie-Louise would or should retain the Regency for terribly long. She would likely be viewed by the French Masses as the second coming of Marie Antoinette, but actually in power. It would be in her and the French Government's best interests if Joseph Bonaparte or Joachim Murat quickly assumed the Regency in her stead.

2. (and this is more of a personal thing) Napoleonic France was going to collapse under the weight of the Allies at some point, and if Austria is truly allied with it, the Habsburgs are going down with France. This just gives Prussia and Russia more incentive to fight harder and hope to get a piece of the Habsburg pie.
 
1. I'm not terribly sure Marie-Louise would or should retain the Regency for terribly long. She would likely be viewed by the French Masses as the second coming of Marie Antoinette, but actually in power. It would be in her and the French Government's best interests if Joseph Bonaparte or Joachim Murat quickly assumed the Regency in her stead.

I considered this. I don't see Marie Louise simply giving up the position though (or her father allowing that to happen). Perhaps they could shared power in a three-person Regency?

2. (and this is more of a personal thing) Napoleonic France was going to collapse under the weight of the Allies at some point, and if Austria is truly allied with it, the Habsburgs are going down with France. This just gives Prussia and Russia more incentive to fight harder and hope to get a piece of the Habsburg pie.

I'm not sure. If peace with Spain is made, then the British can be driven out of Iberia and Portugal subdued by the Spanish alone. That leave no open enemies on the Continent and only Sweden, Russia, and Prussia as potential ones. A new coalition would then have to face the combined forces and military talent of France and Austria. Imagine Davout and Archduke Charles marching their troops into battle side by side. :)
 
I considered this. I don't see Marie Louise simply giving up the position though (or her father allowing that to happen). Perhaps they could shared power in a three-person Regency?



I'm not sure. If peace with Spain is made, then the British can be driven out of Iberia and Portugal subdued by the Spanish alone. That leave no open enemies on the Continent and only Sweden, Russia, and Prussia as potential ones. A new coalition would then have to face the combined forces and military talent of France and Austria. Imagine Davout and Archduke Charles marching their troops into battle side by side. :)
There would have to be at least one if not two "Frenchmen" that are viewed by the French populace as being able to check the Empress Dowager's power. Quite frankly, it's really doesn't matter what Franz I wants, if he tries to influence internal French politics it will end poorly for his interests. His best bet is to keep his mouth shut and hope Marie-Louise can handle herself.

If peace is made with Spain I suppose, however I don't know what that would entail. I would be interested in what would be done with Germany if the Habsburgs ended up in league with France and were instrumental in a final French victory.
 
How much warning?

The manner of his demise, as well as the time, is of great importance.
If he dies in battle, then it's a heroic death, which might make a difference in attitudes concerning him. Legends, propaganda, etc can use this. Also, with no warning, people haven't had a chance to specifficly position themselves to take advantage.

If he dies over a longer time--disease or a wound slowly festering--or a debilitating wound that leaves him alive, but an invalid, perhaps dieing later, then people are positioning themselves to take advantage of the situation. Napoleon, if he's dieing, might well know it, and make a will, last minute appointments, and otherwise stir the pot.
 
Quick sketch of a timeline base on option 3:

November 30, 1807: Beginning of French occupation of Portugal

February 20, 1808: Napoleon sends the French marshal Joachim Murat to lead an army in Spain
May 2, 1808: Unsuccessful Spanish revolt against French army under Murat
June 4, 1808: Napoleon names Joseph Bonaparte King of Spain, and Murat King of Naples
June 22, 1808: Dupont surrenders at Baylen
December 4, 1808: Madrid surrenders to Napoleon
December 12, 1808: Talleyrand and Fouche plot against Napoleon, rumor of his death in Spain.

April 1809: Austria invades Bavaria, beginning the War of the Danube.
May 22, 1809: Defeat by Archduke Karl at Essling, Napoleon suffers a fragment wound to his left hand, but refuses to leave the battle front until the safe retreat of the army to Lobau is assured.
July 6, 1809: [POD] Victory at Wagram. Lannes dies and Napoleon is nearly killed by cannon fire, his left leg below the knee has to be amputated in order to save his life. Davout is put in charge of finishing the campaign
October 14, 1809: Treaty of Schonbrunn is signed.
December 15, 1809: Napoleon divorces Josephine due to her inability to produce a son.

April 2, 1810: Napoleon and Marie-Louise get married.
August 21: Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte, Marshal of France, is elected Crown Prince of Sweden by the Swedish Riksdag of the Estates.

March, 1811: The Great Comet of 1811 is first sighted by French astronomer Honoré Flaugergues
March 20, 1811: Napoleon's son born, referred to as the "King of Rome"

January 12, 1812: Wellington takes Ciudad Rodrigo. Napoleon, working without break on the upcoming invasion of Russia, falls ill with fever and an infection of his leg.
March 26, 1812: After the celebration of his son's first birthday, Napoleon's illness grows worse, he prepares Marie Louise to assume the Regency, and dies. Napoleon II becomes Emperor with the Empress Marie Louise as Regent.
May 28: Russian Field Marshal Mikhail Kutuzov signs the Treaty of Bucharest, ending the Russo-Turkish War (1806-1812) and making Bessarabia a part of Imperial Russia.
June 1 1812: U.S. President James Madison asks the U.S. Congress to declare war on Great Britain.
June 1812: Joseph Boneparte returns to Paris and demands his share in the Regency. The goverment is divided between is minority 'Austrian' faction faction, which supports Napoleon's will as it stands (with the Empress as sole Regent), and the Josephite or'anti-Maries' who will only except a regency that includes two or more French notables (or even the total exclusion of the Empress from the Regency). Fouche and Talleyrand again manuever in the crisis to their benefit. Plots to return the Comte d'Artois and Louis XVIII to the country are quickly foiled, along with a republician insurrection in Paris. In a comprimise, Joseph, Louis, Murat, and Eugène de Beauharnais were added, with full powers, to make up the 'Council of Five' Regency nominally headed by the Empress.
July 1812: Joseph I abdicates the Spanish throne and signs the treaty of Valencay with Ferdinand VII, returning the throne to the Bourbons and ending the Iberian war. After this, the British under Wellington are forced to withdraw to Portugal. Metternich arrives again in Paris as Ambassador and unoffical advisor to Marie Louise to the disapproval of many in the government and public, fearing the beginning of a creeping 'Hapsburg' and 'Royalist' influence. The Regency cancels the invasion of Russia and a conference between Alexander and the Regents is called for to be held in Warsaw by August.
August 1812: A small Royalist forces lands in Brittanty, but is destroyed by the National Guard. Alexander I meets the French at Warsaw to negociate the problems with fulfilling Tilst. The Continental System is loosened along with France's overtures to Turkey and Persia for an anti-Russia allaince, and Russian interest in the majority of the Balkans is recognized, in exchange for Russia recognition of the Duchy of Warsaw with is current size, Russian recognition of the French possession of Illyria. Russians were still mostly displeased with this new treaty, but Russia stood alone against the total power of the continent. Even without Napoleon at the head of such an army, the chances were not good for success. Alexander did however reject the idea (revived from the mad-capness of Paul I) that Russian detachments or ships would be sent to participate in the new plan for invading England.

Thats what I have so far, but its not solid enough yet. Reading up a bit on the net about the period between 1809 and 1812. Its never really covered by people. Hell, I didn't know until a few years ago that Napoleon had ever campaigned in Spain. Some books would make you think its was just his bumbling marshals down there the entire time.

A major thing I need to figure out its British reaction to this event. Would they still continue the war? Mind you, they were starting to feel effects from the French and American embargoes (the Luddites, raised food prices, unrest). Austria will be pragmaticly pro-French, Prussia will remain silent (unless there is a massive German insurrection), Russia will intrigue on the edges, but what of the UK?
 
I'm not sure. If peace with Spain is made, then the British can be driven out of Iberia and Portugal subdued by the Spanish alone.

Umm... No. The Spanish Army was, to be blunt, atrocious. It was under-manned under-funded and bloated with an incompetent officers corp. Compared to the British-Portuguese Army under Beresford and Wellington, it was a very minor power that would need the French Army to have any success.
 
Umm... No. The Spanish Army was, to be blunt, atrocious. It was under-manned under-funded and bloated with an incompetent officers corp. Compared to the British-Portuguese Army under Beresford and Wellington, it was a very minor power that would need the French Army to have any success.
I don't think Portugal would be conquered but the British would find that infamous guerilla turned on them as unwanted foreigners.
 
Quick sketch of a timeline base on option 3:
Very decent. Id say continue it, but for originalitys sake, have it end in a Haspburg(how the hell are you supposed to spell it anyway)-Bonaparte ruled European Empire stretching from the Elbrus to the Vistula...*eyes glass over*
Also, IV, Id apreciate it if you could translate that. Not a germanophone meself...:D
 
I don't think Portugal would be conquered but the British would find that infamous guerilla turned on them as unwanted foreigners.

Then Britain would simply remain in Portugal while the guerrillas would return home if Ferdinand VII was returned to the Throne. That is of course excepting the ones who were bandits. If Wellington is the Commander of the British forces in Portugal, there isn't going to be an invasion of Spain that's pro-Napoleon.
 
Very decent. Id say continue it, but for originalitys sake, have it end in a Haspburg(how the hell are you supposed to spell it anyway)-Bonaparte ruled European Empire stretching from the Elbrus to the Vistula...*eyes glass over*
Also, IV, Id apreciate it if you could translate that. Not a germanophone meself...:D
Something to the effect of:

The whole world is subject to Austria.
 
Since no-one's brought it up yet, let me throw this in:

It's La Mort de Napoléon. "LA"!!!!!! Life and death are both feminine in French!

I'm sorry, I just couldn't let it slide :D
 
Since no-one's brought it up yet, let me throw this in:

It's La Mort de Napoléon. "LA"!!!!!! Life and death are both feminine in French!

I'm sorry, I just couldn't let it slide :D
Certainly, in modern French.

'Malory's work was "Le Morte d'Arthur", of which this is a variant....
 
Certainly, in modern French.

'Malory's work was "Le Morte d'Arthur", of which this is a variant....

The "modern" French that would have been spoken in France in the early 19th century? Hollah??!! An Anglo-Norman title from a time when the French language was dying out in England is no basis for changing the diachronistic evolution of a world language.

"Death" is feminine in French, bitches :D
 
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