WI: Larger Seven Years War

BlueThunder25

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What if the Ottomans, Zand dynasty, and Qing Dynasty and Poland joined the Seven Years War? The Ottomans and Polish side with the Anglo-Prusso-Portuguese. The Zand dynasty and Qing Dynasty join the French, mostly by China fighting in India and at sea.
 
What if the Ottomans, Zand dynasty, and Qing Dynasty and Poland joined the Seven Years War? The Ottomans and Polish side with the Anglo-Prusso-Portuguese. The Zand dynasty and Qing Dynasty join the French, mostly by China fighting in India and at sea.

-Camera looks into his eyes-

-The air was filled with smoke and blood-

-Behold a white horse, a crown given to us (The Prussians), and we shall go out to conquer as we have done a thousand times before-


-And behold, a red horse and power was given to him (Frederick the Great) and set there on to take peace from the earth-

-They made ready for war-


That would be one hell of an interesting war. My guess is a Anglo-Prusso-Portuguese victory. The reason they almost lost was because Prussia just couldn't handle Austria, France and Russia all at once for very long. With PLC and Ottomans? Their victory is assured.
 
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I disagree with several things here, no offense (a larger Seven Year's War is interesting)

1- China fighting in India and at sea
Himalayas. Not seeing that working out very well. Attacking Russia in winter is one thing, but scaling the largest mountain range in the world when it is very likely in severe blizzard conditions WILL NOT WORK. If anything Qing would be anti-Russia, but I find that preposterous as well due to their good relations at the time. Chinese navy? Not an expert on that. Not sure they would have the strength though, or even exist.

2- Polish side with the Anglo-Prusso-Portuguese.
Augustus III, ruler of Commonwealth. One problem. He is also Elector of Saxony... which fought against Prussia and lost badly. ...

3-The Ottomans
Are busy enjoying two decades and half of peace. They have little to no improvement from that time, and are trying to reform themselves. I cannot see Russia getting stretched to the limit where the Ottomans could beat them. And even if they did join, you mentioned the Zands? They attacking then.

So yeah. OTL was IMHO best case for Britain-Prussia. They got a couple extra allies, INSANE luck in regards to Russia, and stunning colonial victories. Any change and they are screwed. They don't call it "Miracle of the House of Brandenburg" for nothing. :p By all expectations looking from a present-day perspective, Prussia should have been crushed. With defeat on the continent, Britain will not be very happy. A larger Seven Year's War, such as the involvement of Polish forces against Prussia as well as Saxon can only make it worse.

Again, I like the idea, but I cannot see some of those countries joining and having those impacts.
 
I disagree with several things here, no offense (a larger Seven Year's War is interesting)


Augustus III, ruler of Commonwealth. One problem. He is also Elector of Saxony... which fought against Prussia and lost badly. ...


So yeah. OTL was IMHO best case for Britain-Prussia. They got a couple extra allies, INSANE luck in regards to Russia, and stunning colonial victories. Any change and they are screwed. They don't call it "Miracle of the House of Brandenburg" for nothing. :p By all expectations looking from a present-day perspective, Prussia should have been crushed. With defeat on the continent, Britain will not be very happy. A larger Seven Year's War, such as the involvement of Polish forces against Prussia as well as Saxon can only make it worse.

Again, I like the idea, but I cannot see some of those countries joining and having those impacts.

I agree with mental wizard's points that OTL was best conceivable turnout for Prussia. Virtually ever TL I put together has Prussia losing that war.

As for Poland, the Commonwealth basically allowed Russia to march through unmolested, that was their sum contribution. The government was so dysfunctional that they couldn't act. And Prussia did provoke them by intentionally harming the Commonwealth by printing vast amounts of counterfeit currency. Oddly, there seems to be little note of what was his motivation. Ensuring they weren't capable of joining Saxony or Russia by harming the economy? Punishment for allowing Russia to march through? All I ever find is a blurb.

I think it is telling that, even in war against a hated enemy, Russia did nothing to push Poland to join, despite Poland's large population.
 
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