WI Kosovo had become a constitutive republic of Yugoslavia?

Modern-day borders of former Yugoslavia equal the boundaries of the former republics of Yugoslavia, as the Badinter commission then concluded.

The inner boundaries of the SFRY were created by Tito after World War II to create a balance between the peoples. One republic for each people, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. In 1974 autonomous provinces Vojvodina and Kosovo were established. The official reason why Kosovo didn't become an equal republic was "because the Albanians already had an ethnic homeland with the Republic of Tirana".

So let's say Tito had decided else and upgrades the Kosovo to a ful SR. Would Kosovo be as recognized as the other former SRs? Or would we still see the Serbs bitching around for Kosovo?
 

Rockingham

Banned
Modern-day borders of former Yugoslavia equal the boundaries of the former republics of Yugoslavia, as the Badinter commission then concluded.

The inner boundaries of the SFRY were created by Tito after World War II to create a balance between the peoples. One republic for each people, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. In 1974 autonomous provinces Vojvodina and Kosovo were established. The official reason why Kosovo didn't become an equal republic was "because the Albanians already had an ethnic homeland with the Republic of Tirana".

So let's say Tito had decided else and upgrades the Kosovo to a ful SR. Would Kosovo be as recognized as the other former SRs? Or would we still see the Serbs bitching around for Kosovo?
Easy way to do this-have the Yugoslavs annex Albania due to some POD or other in WW2.
 

Olmeka

Banned
Albania would be dragged into Balkan War post Yugoslavia's dissolution.
More chaos and warfare in Europe, and more Islam militants coming to fight a war with far more religious aspect.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Modern-day borders of former Yugoslavia equal the boundaries of the former republics of Yugoslavia, as the Badinter commission then concluded.

The inner boundaries of the SFRY were created by Tito after World War II to create a balance between the peoples. One republic for each people, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. In 1974 autonomous provinces Vojvodina and Kosovo were established. The official reason why Kosovo didn't become an equal republic was "because the Albanians already had an ethnic homeland with the Republic of Tirana".

So let's say Tito had decided else and upgrades the Kosovo to a ful SR. Would Kosovo be as recognized as the other former SRs? Or would we still see the Serbs bitching around for Kosovo?


Kosovo would have declared independents the same time as Croatian and the Serbian army would have invade and ethnic cleansed most of them, with the few Muslim Slavs and Othodoxs Albanians staying there. Later on they would have resettled the area with Serbian refugees from Croatia.
 

Olmeka

Banned
Kosovo would have declared independents the same time as Croatian and the Serbian army would have invade and ethnic cleansed most of them, with the few Muslim Slavs and Othodoxs Albanians staying there.
Wouldn't that mean Albanian war also, at least Albanians from Kosovo could attack Serbs then retreat to Albania, forcing Serbs to move across the border.
 

ninebucks

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If the problem with Kosovo in 1947 was that Tito didn't want it to be seen that the Kosovars were being ruled by diktat from Belgrade, then is it possible that he would, instead of creating Kosovo as an Autonomous Province, cede it into the Montenegrin Republic? Or as an Autonomous Province of the Montenegrin Republic.

A united Kosovo-Montenegro would give the Kosovars the illusion of autonomy from Belgrade and would probably be more ethnically homogenous, (as far as I understand, Montenegro's demographic mix is more compatible with Kosovo's than Serbia's).

However, maybe I'm missing something important here. I can't quite understand why a totalitarian regime would invest so much effort into creating a federal system in the first place...
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Wouldn't that mean Albanian war also, at least Albanians from Kosovo could attack Serbs then retreat to Albania, forcing Serbs to move across the border.

I doubt Albania would be insane enough to attack Yugoslavia, especially with the economical black hole they were in at the time. Albanias army also focused on defence rather than offence which would make a war even more unlikely.
 
A united Kosovo-Montenegro would give the Kosovars the illusion of autonomy from Belgrade and would probably be more ethnically homogenous, (as far as I understand, Montenegro's demographic mix is more compatible with Kosovo's than Serbia's).
Please be aware that Montenegrin/Serbian division is much more narrow than one between Texans and Yankees. Milosovic identified himself as Serbian, his brother was one of biggest hawks of Montenegrin nationalism.

I think that Montenegrins will be pretty reluctant to join Kosovo, as it will effectively turn them into minority in their own country...

I can't quite understand why a totalitarian regime would invest so much effort into creating a federal system in the first place...
That's because you are severely relying on templates born into your brain by Cold War propagandists who were disguised as your school teachers, but who am I to battle that?
 
Please be aware that Montenegrin/Serbian division is much more narrow than one between Texans and Yankees. Milosovic identified himself as Serbian, his brother was one of biggest hawks of Montenegrin nationalism.

I think that Montenegrins will be pretty reluctant to join Kosovo, as it will effectively turn them into minority in their own country...

That's because you are severely relying on templates born into your brain by Cold War propagandists who were disguised as your school teachers, but who am I to battle that?

Are you accusing his teachers of being propagandists, or are you in fact insinuating that the CIA kidnapped teachers throughout the country and hired agents to impersonate them?
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Are you accusing his teachers of being propagandists, or are you in fact insinuating that the CIA kidnapped teachers throughout the country and hired agents to impersonate them?

Take a break, it was a funny comment, with a grain of truth in it.
 

ninebucks

Banned
That's because you are severely relying on templates born into your brain by Cold War propagandists who were disguised as your school teachers, but who am I to battle that?

My history teacher was a product of the education system of the Peoples' Republic of Poland... so maybe think again before you instantly accuse someone of a Cold War bias?
 
However, maybe I'm missing something important here. I can't quite understand why a totalitarian regime would invest so much effort into creating a federal system in the first place...


I'd always been lead to believe that Tito decided on federalsim because he had, in 1941, seen the complete destruction of the nation of Yugoslavia in a matter of days.

Flexable defence plans couldn't be formed, because then they might 'abandon' certain groups to the enemy -defending Slovenia was always going to be a big ask.

IIRC, Tito decided te only way to prevent the whole place dissolving again was to give each area a sense of autonomy and freedom.

I seem to remember that the Macedonian Republic was formed slightly later than the others, to foster 'Macedonianism' to counteract Bulgar interference.

Of course, i could be wrong on all counts - books are 250 miles away :(

Geordie
 
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