WI: Kingdom of Sub-Roman Britian?

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It does:D. However, suppose a kingdom like that manages to push out/assimilate the Saxons, Jutes, Angles, etc, what happens to the language spoken in kingdom? Is is still going to be Germanic or will it be a British influenced Romance language?

I imagine you can see a Celtic-Latin-Germanic mix language form (sorry, I am terrible at languages, so I may be really off).

Samrobo, I don't think the Saxon shore was settled by Saxons, Angles, or Jutes in any significant numbers until the end of the end of the 5th century-early 6th century.
 
Having the Romans take over the whole of Britannia by 450 would be difficult, even unifying the old Roman parts of the island would probably require a very capable general who becomes one among many claimants to the Roman throne, at least initially.

That being said, if it can be done, the Romans would be in a good position to eventually consolidate and invade first Hibernia, then Caledonia, and eventually turn their attention elsewhere. I could see the Romans eyeing the modern Low Countries since they could be easily defensible and have richer farmland, though Brittany and OTL Normandy would appeal simply for the sake of proximity. Landings near modern Bordeaux in Aquitaine would permit the use of a river to the north and east along with mountains to the south as initial defenses, and if the Iberian peninsula is thought to be weakly held then maybe they decide to land there instead.

Interestingly this could lead to Roman fisherman discovering Iceland then Greenland, and if there are sufficient refugees from the mainland you could have a post-Roman kingdom with enough people and technology to have a massive advantage over its neighbors, especially following the Justinian plague. Contact with the New World would be plausible if they get that far, especially with rich fishing grounds at the Grand Banks. Such a kingdom could develop a strong oceanic navy and become a check, if not a threat, to the Vikings in time. It would also probably claim the whole of the western Roman Empire (if not the whole thing) in name, though it might only seriously try to hold Gaul and/or Iberia.
 

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Having the Romans take over the whole of Britannia by 450 would be difficult, even unifying the old Roman parts of the island would probably require a very capable general who becomes one among many claimants to the Roman throne, at least initially.

That being said, if it can be done, the Romans would be in a good position to eventually consolidate and invade first Hibernia, then Caledonia, and eventually turn their attention elsewhere. I could see the Romans eyeing the modern Low Countries since they could be easily defensible and have richer farmland, though Brittany and OTL Normandy would appeal simply for the sake of proximity. Landings near modern Bordeaux in Aquitaine would permit the use of a river to the north and east along with mountains to the south as initial defenses, and if the Iberian peninsula is thought to be weakly held then maybe they decide to land there instead.

Interestingly this could lead to Roman fisherman discovering Iceland then Greenland, and if there are sufficient refugees from the mainland you could have a post-Roman kingdom with enough people and technology to have a massive advantage over its neighbors, especially following the Justinian plague. Contact with the New World would be plausible if they get that far, especially with rich fishing grounds at the Grand Banks. Such a kingdom could develop a strong oceanic navy and become a check, if not a threat, to the Vikings in time. It would also probably claim the whole of the western Roman Empire (if not the whole thing) in name, though it might only seriously try to hold Gaul and/or Iberia.

A counter Byzantium in the West? :D Okay that needs a timeline!
 
A counter Byzantium in the West? :D Okay that needs a timeline!

I don't think you can do that with Britain but maybe with the domain of soissons. I've always thought a timeline in which odavacers kingdom survives (and the east installs a western emperor at his death maybe?6 the domain of soissons survives, and the Romano Brits are able to get their act together would be a fascinating one.
 

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I don't think you can do that with Britain but maybe with the domain of soissons. I've always thought a timeline in which odavacers kingdom survives (and the east installs a western emperor at his death maybe?6 the domain of soissons survives, and the Romano Brits are able to get their act together would be a fascinating one.

I've actually had the same idea. Domain of Soissions, an Ostrogothic Kingdom of Italy, a Kingdom of Mauritania and a kingdom of Britannia preserving Roman culture.
 
Isn't that the idea behind... Ai Bethsada or something like, the famous and massive alt history work online, with a part of Britain who remained more celticy?
 
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