What about Jeanne of Navarre?
The one who, at the time of the POD, is still married to Philip IV of France? That Joan of Navarre?
What about Jeanne of Navarre?
perhaps an earlier pod..sorry..The one who, at the time of the POD, is still married to Philip IV of France? That Joan of Navarre?
By way of further explanation:
Scottish vassalship to England dates from William the Bastard's defeat of the Scots in their support for Edgar Atheling. It wasn't kept very well and successive kings such as Henry I, Henry II, etc had to fight to temporarily stick it back in. Part of the problem was the new continental idea of kings not being subject to other kings.
Northumbria/Northumberland was never really seen as non English but the Scottish Kings had possession of it during the Anarchy, similar to Normandy and Aquitaine not being non French lands but possessed by English Kings, and it eventually got confiscated by the English King.
Cumbria is more difficult as it was originally an independent Northern Brittonic (the name is cognate to Cymru) region that at times was fought over by the Scots and English. It ended up divided between them when it couldn't stay independent. The northern part is traditionally called Strathclyde.
English "rights" to Scotland went back further than that. Edward the Elder and some of the later Anglo-Saxon Kings also claimed a form of overlordship over the Scots though as with the Norman claim it was intermittent and unclear. A good comparison is between Scotland and Flanders against Ireland and Brittany. At the start of the period Flanders was sort of under the overlordship of the Crown of France while Brittany wasn't really. The Crown of France managed to firm up it's overlordship of Brittany but the House of Burgundy and the Hapsburgs managed to peel Flanders away. The Crown of England managed to bring Ireland under it's sway while the Scots managed to break the link in the Wars of Independence.
Well, I was referring to position of the Crown of Scotland rather than the personal one of a particular King.English "rights" to Scotland went back further than that. Edward the Elder and some of the later Anglo-Saxon Kings also claimed a form of overlordship over the Scots though as with the Norman claim it was intermittent and unclear. A good comparison is between Scotland and Flanders against Ireland and Brittany. At the start of the period Flanders was sort of under the overlordship of the Crown of France while Brittany wasn't really. The Crown of France managed to firm up it's overlordship of Brittany but the House of Burgundy and the Hapsburgs managed to peel Flanders away. The Crown of England managed to bring Ireland under it's sway while the Scots managed to break the link in the Wars of Independence.
Carrick controlled half the former kingdom of Galloway, so yes very powerfulAs for Isabel and Christina Bruce's father being an Earl, and thus lower rank, well Earl is an equal title to a Count, and English and French kings had married daughters of counts in the past.
English examples: Matilda of Flanders, Adeliza of Louvain, Matilda of Boulogne, Eleanor of Provence.
French examples: Constance of Arles, Bertha of Holland, Adelaide de Maurienne, Adele of Champagne, Isabella of Hainaut, Margaret of Provence (Eleanor's sister)
And I'm not sure, but I think the Earldom of Carrick was one of the more powerful Earldoms in the Scottish Lowlands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm just saying. I still see the possibility of a double marriage between Edward and Eric II and Isabel and Christina Bruce respectively.
Carrick controlled half the former kingdom of Galloway, so yes very powerful
This is very true. Hence why Balliol alwaysnshat himself when Bruce opened his mouth. He was only lord of Galloway and Dundee.Or perhaps a bit over half, once the Earldom of Carrick combined with the Bruces' Lordship of Annandale.
Edward's best interests is how I see it. French first, Flemish second.Any particular reasons? I recognise that a French/Flemish match may be in Edward's best interests, but I did put other candidates in to add some variety and possibly shake things up a bit. Edward and his predecessors did have dealings with the Holy Roman Empire. Though I do have doubts about Margaret of Brabant, now that I know her marriage to Henry of Luxembourg was part of resolution to the dispute over Limburg with the Electorate of Cologne.
Shades of future Wydeville too.As for the Bruce sisters, I might have asked this in a different thread, but would they have been looked down upon by the English nobility, the same way Edith-Matilda of Scotland was after her marriage to Henry I 'Beauclerc'?
Edward's best interests is how I see it. French first, Flemish second.
Shades of future Wydeville too.
Outsider noble who doesn't enhance the kingdom's interests.Oh how so regarding the Wydeville element?
Outsider noble who doesn't enhance the kingdom's interests.
Ah this is true, though if Bruce does become King, then there is a connection there.
This is trueOnly if Margaret dies and Edward and the Scottish auditors choose him instead of John Balliol.