WI: King David/Solomon conquers (and unites) Egypt?

IOTL, the first foreign-ruled dynasty of Egypt was the 27th, the Achaemenid Persian one. But what if it is done by King David (or his son, Solomon if it is more plausible) instead, a Jewish one? Also to be noted here is that he or his son unites Kindom of Egypt, and in the end if Solomon dies i expect United Kingdom of Israel and Judah and the 23th dynasty of Egypt to be divided into three, but probably could even more.
 
Persians weren't the first foreign dynasty, there were Semitic dynasties, the Hyksos, a Berber/Libyan one, Nubian/Kushite dynasties, plus the Assyrians, before them.

For the Israelites, it's borderline ASB for the small kingdom they ruled to conquer Egypt. They couldn't do what the Assyrians, Persians, etc. did, and they couldn't do what the Hyksos or Nubians did. The one exception being if Yahweh intervenes on their side and starts striking Egyptian armies dead with his angels, new plagues of Egypt, etc. But I did say it would be ASB, didn't I?
 
Persians weren't the first foreign dynasty, there were Semitic dynasties, the Hyksos, a Berber/Libyan one, Nubian/Kushite dynasties, plus the Assyrians, before them.

For the Israelites, it's borderline ASB for the small kingdom they ruled to conquer Egypt. They couldn't do what the Assyrians, Persians, etc. did, and they couldn't do what the Hyksos or Nubians did. The one exception being if Yahweh intervenes on their side and starts striking Egyptian armies dead with his angels, new plagues of Egypt, etc. But I did say it would be ASB, didn't I?
It would also be completely out of character, since God is not shown as much of a conquering type, outside of helping out a group take Canaan. Even then he says that it wasn't so much because of how good the Jews were as how bad the Caananites were. Anyways, Solomon or David would find themselves highly overstretched, and for no good reason as they were upon fertile land and valuable trade routes.
 
Persians weren't the first foreign dynasty, there were Semitic dynasties, the Hyksos, a Berber/Libyan one, Nubian/Kushite dynasties, plus the Assyrians, before them.

For the Israelites, it's borderline ASB for the small kingdom they ruled to conquer Egypt. They couldn't do what the Assyrians, Persians, etc. did, and they couldn't do what the Hyksos or Nubians did. The one exception being if Yahweh intervenes on their side and starts striking Egyptian armies dead with his angels, new plagues of Egypt, etc. But I did say it would be ASB, didn't I?
Thank you. So you give the answer that Israel might never probably could conquer them, unless it is ASB.
But to be said though i had to note that Egypt during the David and Solomon (but not counting his late reign) period is divided and i think there is probably a chance for them to invade one, only if Israelites could build a navy. If they build a navy, this would be the end of Native Egyptian period.
 
Thank you. So you give the answer that Israel might never probably could conquer them, unless it is ASB.
But to be said though i had to note that Egypt during the David and Solomon (but not counting his late reign) period is divided and i think there is probably a chance for them to invade one, only if Israelites could build a navy. If they build a navy, this would be the end of Native Egyptian period.
And the end of the Jews as we know it. Solomon was already going off course and bringing in too many foreign influences. In here we would probably see the Hebrew rulers taking on the gods of the Egyptians. Even if they didn't, integrating the kingdoms means the Jews will be outnumbered and mixed marriages that were forbidden under Jewish law would become common place. Well, more common than when they were separate kingdoms.
 
And the end of the Jews as we know it. Solomon was already going off course and bringing in too many foreign influences. In here we would probably see the Hebrew rulers taking on the gods of the Egyptians. Even if they didn't, integrating the kingdoms means the Jews will be outnumbered and mixed marriages that were forbidden under Jewish law would become common place. Well, more common than when they were separate kingdoms.

They did manage to maintain their identity throughout their time in Egypt and the many many diasporas throughout history. If, by some miracle, they do conquer Egypt, then there may indeed be those that adopt the gods of Egypt, but there would also be those that keep faith with the God of Israel. Expect a pretty hardline split to occur, which could result in those that keep the faith embarking on their own exodus anyway.
 
They did manage to maintain their identity throughout their time in Egypt and the many many diasporas throughout history. If, by some miracle, they do conquer Egypt, then there may indeed be those that adopt the gods of Egypt, but there would also be those that keep faith with the God of Israel. Expect a pretty hardline split to occur, which could result in those that keep the faith embarking on their own exodus anyway.
In Egypt they were kept as a slave caste and, if we go by Jewish and Biblical sources, they seemed fairly happy to go to Egyptian deities quickly. Then again, that was the future high priest who made the golden calf... Anyways, I don't see the Hebrews having the means to conquer the Egyptians at this point in time, especially considering all the enemies nearby. Think I read suggestoins thst the Egyptians came to see Israel as a buffer zone, actually.
 
And the end of the Jews as we know it. Solomon was already going off course and bringing in too many foreign influences. In here we would probably see the Hebrew rulers taking on the gods of the Egyptians.

The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the LORD has told you, "You are not to go back that way again."
Deuteronomy 17:6

Yea, completely off the Biblical rails
 
Okay. From the posts before i get that Israeli identity would be vanishing if David or Solomon were to conquer Egypt and becoming pharaoh. Then from this, i want to ask: How far the world would be changed by this? Will be there a Bible in this ATL world?
 
Okay. From the posts before i get that Israeli identity would be vanishing if David or Solomon were to conquer Egypt and becoming pharaoh. Then from this, i want to ask: How far the world would be changed by this? Will be there a Bible in this ATL world?
As it would be giving great butterflies for Egypt, the Mediterranean, Judaism, Christianity, as well as perhaps changing the results of wars of people living in Persia and Turkey thousands of years ago... the world would be completely unrecognizable.
 
Okay. From the posts before i get that Israeli identity would be vanishing if David or Solomon were to conquer Egypt and becoming pharaoh. Then from this, i want to ask: How far the world would be changed by this? Will be there a Bible in this ATL world?

It would have some serious impacts on Rommel’s campaign in Africa, thats for sure.
 
It would have some serious impacts on Rommel’s campaign in Africa, thats for sure.
And certainly on the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, assuming it is still ruled by the Solominid Dynasty upon the Throne of David here. And you guys think the remaining Philastines get stuck in the Giza strip, or do they get shuffled off to live in Judea?
 

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I'd say there is evidence of a unified Davidic dynasty-there is a reference to the house of David not more than 150(IIRC) years later on a foreign stele. And Kenneth Kitchen has made a fairly convincing case regarding a unified Judaic kingdom.

As for conquering Egypt. First off David or Solomon would have had to march across the Sinai, defeat the last nomads there and then march into the Egyptian interior. Which would be hard. As even if you take the maximal interpretation the bible gives of the extent and power of the Davidic empire it would still be lacking in terms of manpower.

At the same time Egypt was fairly weak in this era and I don't see why it couldn't happen.
 
And certainly on the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, assuming it is still ruled by the Solominid Dynasty upon the Throne of David here. And you guys think the remaining Philastines get stuck in the Giza strip, or do they get shuffled off to live in Judea?

Solomonic dynasty ruling Egypt is probably the easiest way to get Solomon's descendents as Kings/Pharaohs. Unfortunately, the Solomonic dynasty actually being descended from Solomon is almost certainly a myth or otherwise unprovable. "Philistine" and "Palestine" are cognates, too.
 
Solomonic dynasty ruling Egypt is probably the easiest way to get Solomon's descendents as Kings/Pharaohs. Unfortunately, the Solomonic dynasty actually being descended from Solomon is almost certainly a myth or otherwise unprovable. "Philistine" and "Palestine" are cognates, too.
No worries, I know. The first part was a joke related to the joke that it would have an effect on Rommel in Libya. The Philistine thing was a joke based upon Israel going to Egypt. Gala, Giza... Yah I know, not that great. Anyways, Philistines weren't really a thing until two and a half or three thousand years back, were they?
 
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