WI: Kievan Rus refugees migrating to Poland in the Middle Ages

Is there a way for Kievian Rus refugees to migrate to Poland in the Middle Ages after the Mongol invasion especially in Silesia and Greater Poland?
 
Is there a way for Kievian Rus refugees to migrate to Poland in the Middle Ages after the Mongol invasion especially in Silesia and Greater Poland?

Probably not. Most possible would Russian peasants migration to the areas of Little Poland and the central Vistula River region. This migration took place in the lands of the West Slavic Lendian people (later Red Ruthenia and eastern Lublin region), completed a permanent Russification of these areas.
However, most of the Lendian territory was located outside Polish state from the reign of Yaroslav the Wise in Kiev. Migration deep into Polish territory would mean Polonization of the Ruthenian refugees.
 
I think there is. If Poland could stand the Mongol horde, Russians may migrate to it as the horde scorches the Rus.
 
How this would affect into history of Poland in that times ?
Do it mean to reduce German influence on the culture of Poland and much smaller scale of German settlers ?
This means also more swords against HRE and Bohemia.
 
Probably not. Most possible would Russian peasants migration to the areas of Little Poland and the central Vistula River region. This migration took place in the lands of the West Slavic Lendian people (later Red Ruthenia and eastern Lublin region), completed a permanent Russification of these areas.
However, most of the Lendian territory was located outside Polish state from the reign of Yaroslav the Wise in Kiev. Migration deep into Polish territory would mean Polonization of the Ruthenian refugees.
Actually, Red Ruthenia along with Cracovia and Silesia were once parts of Bohemia before Mieszko attacked Bohemia after Mieszko remarried but he lost Red Ruthenia from the Kievan Rus just after he gained it, if Dobrawa never died earlier he will not sieze Silesia, Krakovia and Red Ruthenia from Bohemia, this also means Canute will never be born because most likely Sweyn will not marry Canute's mother Swietoslawa/Gunhild.

Yeah, Poland and the neighboring Slavic countries like Lusatia might benefit from Slavic refugees from Kievan Rus as that will dilute the german expansion, but how will that happen that is the question.
 
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How this would affect into history of Poland in that times ?
Do it mean to reduce German influence on the culture of Poland and much smaller scale of German settlers ?
This means also more swords against HRE and Bohemia.
I think perhaps in a way it would suspend the Drach Nach Osten
 
Of course they could, but there's just a few questions:

1. Why not Galicia? (okay, maybe it was hit harder but Poland wasn't...)
2. Why not Lithuania? (okay, maybe the Lithuanian and Russian princes don't get along at all, difficult but possible)
3. Why not Zalesye? (okay, maybe...well I don't now maybe what, most people left for there)
4. Why not Novgorod or Kostroma (okay, maybe too cold?)

Finally, why not Bohemia or Bulgaria instead (Kiev's residents famously theatened Yaropolk that they would fire the city and move to Bulgaria en masse, granted that's a couple of centuries before the Mongols)...

Basically...there are other equally or more attractive options. Why were they not taken in your universe?
 
Of course they could, but there's just a few questions:

1. Why not Galicia? (okay, maybe it was hit harder but Poland wasn't...)
2. Why not Lithuania? (okay, maybe the Lithuanian and Russian princes don't get along at all, difficult but possible)
3. Why not Zalesye? (okay, maybe...well I don't now maybe what, most people left for there)
4. Why not Novgorod or Kostroma (okay, maybe too cold?)

Finally, why not Bohemia or Bulgaria instead (Kiev's residents famously theatened Yaropolk that they would fire the city and move to Bulgaria en masse, granted that's a couple of centuries before the Mongols)...

Basically...there are other equally or more attractive options. Why were they not taken in your universe?
Actually, I am thinking for the Kievan Rus refugees to move to Bohemia and Western Poland which became parts of Germany in OTL and Lusatia,the other Choices aside from Lithuania, Bohemia and Bulgaria are fiefs of Kievan Rus.
 
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That early it would not make much difference. At the time a Slavic speaker could walk from Adriatic to the Baltic and then to the Black Sea without little if any language barriers. Hell even today that is possible if you both sides involved in the conversation concentrate while communicating.
 
I think perhaps in a way it would suspend the Drach Nach Osten

First of all I think the term you're looking for is Ostsiedlung (German for settlement in the east). The term Drang nach Osten refers to nationalistic ideas from the 19th century to the mid 20th century.

I doubt that, though the settlement in these regions would become more complex than IOTL. The Polish rulers might invite fewer settlers in, but all other things are more or less equal, so IMHO such a movement will still occur.
Besides the settled areas stretched from the Baltic to the Adriatic, so the pattern of settlement could change a bit, though it will still be along the existing dialect lines.
 
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