Joan of Arc threatened to go to war against the Hussites if they didn't return to orthodoxy. What if things played out differently, and she went to war against them?
WI: Joan of Arc vs. the Hussites
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Unlike the Hussites, Joan did not create an innovative military system so how would she go tactically against the Taborites who were routinely defeating the contemporary armies? What “edge” would she have? Her “signature” (in few engagements she fought) was an energetic attack. This was a winning tactics against the English who had a tactical system that required a well-chosen position and enough time to arrange the archers and their support. But Taborites had a system which was making an unexpected attack pretty much impossible so what would be a winning solution for Joan?
Neither did she have an army of her own so with which force would she go against them, especially taking into an account that the English still were on the French soil and Burgundy was still an enemy? Then, of course, it is a long way from France to Bohemia with quite a few borders to cross. How this issue would be handled politically and logistically?
Than she might be really known as infamous and bloodthirsty ,great dictator of the world' ,Johann of Arc', as the Sri Lankan poster suggested. At least by Czech people.
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For such an exalted title she would have at least (a) assemble an army of her own having 15- 20K (*) with a strong artillery (good luck, especially taking into an account that she did not have money of her own) and (b) march that army into Bohemia (looting everything on her way just to keep that army from disappearing due to starvation and lack of pay. Taking into an account that Joan never personally commanded in a serious battle and that by 1430 the Taborites had been led by Prokop the Great who already scored victories over Germans and Bohemian Catholics in 1426, led invasions of Saxony and Hungary and was going to defeat the HRE crusaders in 1431, I would not bet on her success. Time-wise (if we forget that the war in France was going on when she issued her threat), she would probably join crusade of 1431 and end up as unnoticed blip, fleeing with the rest of the crusaders or dying more or less heroically.
(*) This is a highly optimistic assessment: at Domazlice (1431) the Hussites (all factions) presumably had over 50K and at Lipany(1434) sum total of the opposing factions was over 25K.
Well, there were 5 anti-Hussite crusades, the last in 1431, in which Joan could fit (her threat was issued in 1430). Needless to say that in enterprise led by Elector of Brandenburg and Papal legate, Joan hardly would be allocated a leading role and that the numbers she could bring with her (war in France still going on and her not having a personal army) also would not qualify her for a leadership.
Taking into an account that the crusading force had been completely destroyed in the 1st battle, her chances for doing anything substantial in Bohemia would be too close to zero to be considered seriously.
What the frozen Hell is that. And what is Catherine wearing? The Czarist pajamas?
I’m not surprised Churchill’s on there given it’s from India. They hate him, Lincoln is hardly a dictator and calling Washington one is laughable. Pure propaganda.
Unless she is killed by the Hussites, which makes her a martyr with a potential for elevation into a sainthood. Probably even easier for the Catholic Church because she is an "international figure" and there is are nasty accusations and church trial.
I suspect they're using the word 'dictators' very loosely just to mean 'great leaders' (And who is this 'Mazni'? Unless it's meant to be Mazzini)
Oh no!! They're both 'good guys' fighting against the 'bad guys'! Who are we meant to support?
Is "Mazni" in that post supposed to be Giuseppe Mazzini? (I cannot think of anyone else). If so, the view of history in general, and Italian history in particular, behind that poster is warped in a morbidly fascinating way.
Anawrahta
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Where did you get this poster?
Looks Hilarious, they must be conflating Dictator with Leader.
Damn it, I misread. The points about Lincoln and Washington still stand however.
Given the very strange lineup, I'd say it's less propaganda and more 'what the hell is the artist smoking'.
Anawrahta
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I agree. I showed it to my relatives in India and we had a kick out of it. Intention was not propaganda as they clearly used the epithet "great." Tbh I've seen worst.