WI: Jim Shooter Doesn't Ban LGBT Characters

theg*ddam*hoi2fan

theg*ddam*hoi2fan

interpoltomo said:
Easy to imagine given the trendlines of otl. Comics go SJW/upper middle class early, and thus taint that whole movement with the "nerd" stigma to the point where it never gets traction. You get a "left" backlash post-bush as OTL, but instead of SJW/"woke" politics/meetoo you'd get more of a focus on say gay marriage/marijuana/trans* stuff and HOPEFULLY economics brought up more to where we get something better than OBamacare.
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There’s a great deal wrong with this comment, but another poster put it better than me:

Kermode said:
This betrays a very poor understanding of Marvel's history. If you want to call this "SJW", then Marvel has always been SJW: throughout the 70s and 80s they introduced a number of black superheroes and took a pro-feminist stance. Some examples: Black Panther fought the Klan, Storm lead the X-Men, Captain Marvel was a black woman (Monica Rambeau), even the name Ms. Marvel was a statement ("Ms." being a new feminist coinage). And don't think this wasn't controversial: Stan Lee regularly shot back at readers who criticized Marvel for being too inclusive. Including LGBT characters earlier would not be against Marvel's publishing ethos— I mean, that the EIC had to ban it should already tell you the writers were thinking of it— and it's hard to imagine this suddenly tanking the company when they've navigated and weathered other backlash just fine.

The rest of your post is just word salad and a lot of absurd assumptions, but this part is frankly wrong:
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interpoltomo said:
No hollywood adoption of comics into megablockbusters. Why? Well, for part of the period the comics wouldn't fly for adaptations and for the mid-late 2010s, the comics would be dead so no market in the eyes of the money people at the studios. The US comic industry has been dead for at least a decade TTL. Webcomic scene unrecognizable, smaller and divided between a bucnh of obviously animesque stuff that'd fit in OTL's 2000s much more than OTL 2010s.

No modern "geek chic".

* Not nonbinary, just standard MTF/FTM trans.
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This is just plain wrong. As stated earlier, Marvel especially was always inclusive. Always. Suddenly including LGBT characters would not kill off the comics - and the comics don’t need movies in the 90s to keep being made (in the 80s/90s, the only Marvel movies were Dolph Lundgren’s Punisher and Blade...). By the time the MCU happened OTL...heck, it could very well be that having more representation in the comics leads to greater openness, enough that it’s considered entirely fine to have LGBT characters on the big screen in summer blockbusters.

That’s far more likely than your idea.
 

Modern Imperialism

Banned
I feel like the only reason they make rules like this is because they often don’t trust their writers to handle this stuff in a tasteful way and rather not have the media go after them over it. It’s not even that they are against this stuff but they often rather play it safe. They rather take on more easy or universal social issues if they take any on at all. They rather have a character like a mutant being used as a subtle parallel to what some gay people deal with. Taking on a issue like this can often be divisive which they fear will hurt profit. They aren’t against this stuff unless a decent number or a loud minority is against it. If they think it won’t hurt profit then they will have little issue doing it
 

CountDVB

Probably some initial problems and then just pushing for more acceptance over time though also on subtext and so on. I'm guessing it will be a case by case basis.
 

Night Gaul

How likely would this be to cause the religious right to target comics the same way they were targeting music and tabletop games at about this time?
 
theg*ddam*hoi2fan

theg*ddam*hoi2fan

Night Gaul said:
How likely would this be to cause the religious right to target comics the same way they were targeting music and tabletop games at about this time?
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Eh, moral guardians were always targeting comics - hence the Comics Code, or Wondy getting stuck as the JLA's secretary for ages. Or the death of most other comics besides superhero ones post the 50s.

Fact is, most things that The Youth (TM) like are targets for moral guardians and the religious right - I seriously doubt that there'd be much real difference.
 
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