WI Jesus had owned a slave or two?

Well, the fact that he was a carpenter does not mean he had the wealth necessary to own slaves. Nor does the fact that he was literate. The Jews, as a community, were somewhat unique in that regard in that time period. Most Hebrew men of the period would have been at least somewhat literate, as it was required to read Torah in synagogue.

It is, of course, possible that Jesus's father owned slaves, although unlikely, given that he was a carpenter in a poor village in Galilee, which does not indicate a very wealthy person. Jesus himself never established his own household, and it is never indicated in the Biblical text that he owned property of any kind either before or during his ministry. So it is unlikely in the extreme that he did own slaves.
IIRC, Galilee and Nazereth were actually a bit of cross-roads then, and not nearly as poor as they might be today.

Some think that some of the missing years (between the time He became an adult and the time He starts his ministry) may have been running (helping to run) that carpentry shop until e.g. sibs got old enough to take over. The fact that we have a TOTAL blank on his life from the time he was 12 until he was 30 means it's very hard to rule out most anything for that time period. (E.g. Jesus is (fully God and) fully human. Part of the human condition is marriage. Jesus was probably married during part of that time. See, you can build LOTS of reasonable scenarios.)

Certainly, by the time he starts his ministry, he has no household or possessions of his own.
 
The fact that we have a TOTAL blank ??? on his life from the time he was 12 until he was 30 means it's very hard to rule out most anything
Whe do have those Indian/Tibetan Monasteries, that claim to have records of Jesus Studying there during the missing years.
Some think that some of the missing years (between the time He became an adult and the time He starts his ministry) may have been running (helping to run) that carpentry shop until e.g. sibs got old enough to take over.
Except, according to the Gospel of Saint Thomas the Lesser, [included in the Koran], Mary was Joseph's Second wife [Widower] and Jesus' Sibs were his older Step Brothers.
 

Keenir

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Not as ASB as it might seem-whilst only the rich in Roman times owned lots of slaves, the middle class might have owned a slave or two. So what if Jesus did and it was mentioned in the Bible?

slave-owners could point to the *Gospel of John: "be as dutiful and obedient to your master as Christ's slaves were to Him, and obey your master's trusted ones as Christ's slaves obeyed the Disciples."
 
Here's a thought: if Jesus did own slaves and then later freed them when he started preaching (as he gave away all his possessions), isn't it possible that this act (coming as it did a long time after he first started working as a carpenter) combined with his "giving away everything you own to those who need it is the right thing to do" teachings might lead people to believe that he was not divine or the Messiah but rather was a prophet (in a Muhammad-esque sort of way)? Because it would show that Jesus went against the "right thing to do" for many years before he started his ministry.
 
slave-owners could point to the *Gospel of John: "be as dutiful and obedient to your master as Christ's slaves were to Him, and obey your master's trusted ones as Christ's slaves obeyed the Disciples."

Hmm, that could be useful for future arguments. Now, what verse was that?
 

Keenir

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Hmm, that could be useful for future arguments. Now, what verse was that?

none - I was told that putting * at the start of a name, indicates that it's the nearest equivilent in the other timeline.
(it confused me too for a while; no worries)
 
none - I was told that putting * at the start of a name, indicates that it's the nearest equivilent in the other timeline.
(it confused me too for a while; no worries)

Yeah, a very n00b moment on my part, especially since I've seen it in DoD so much. Still, you're very good at making up fake Bible verses. It sounded like it actually could be in the bible.
 
Well, some of the break-away churches will probably be against Slavery, while in this case the pro-rich-establishment Catholic Church would probably support it, regardless of morals, most religious leaders were out for their own ends.

The Confederates look alikes would have more international support during slavery based civil wars though...
 
Can someone post a decent reference that Jewish males were supposed to be able to read the Torah around AD30? 'cos I think that may be a later phenomena.

Deuteronomy 6:9? "And you shall write [these words] on the doorposts of your house, and upon your gates."
 

Keenir

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given that, in OTL, the Orthodox Church uses Jesus' example to give one excuse for divorce (Adultery)...perhaps in this ATL, one of more of the Churches use Jesus' example to say that the only slaves a man may have must be Jewish.

(on the logic that, as a carpenter, Jesus may've had apprentices who...over the course of several Gospels, get tarred as much as or more than Judas did in OTL, until the apprentices are worded as slaves)
 

Stephen

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For those who say Christ never existed please note that the histories of Tacitus, a non-Christian did mention Jesus.

There are some mentions of Christians. This just demonstrates that Christians exited which is what we would expect it does not prove they believed in a person who existed.
 
So should we assume that Socrates did not exist then? There is more evidence that Jesus existed than that Socrates did after all.
 
They would probably end up being extremely important figures in whatever form of christianity. Their relationship with Jesus would probably be touted as the model for how people should interact with God. Maybe Christians view god as less of a father and more of a master.

hmmmm, i do agree!
 
How well did Jesus get along with the Essenes? If he had owned slaves, wouldn't that have put a strain on that (IIRC, they were rather anti-slavery)?
 
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