WI:Japanese Invasion of Siberia 1941

no only a rrd manchuria, japanese china, and perhaps Korea. The soviet navy is a joke. The IJN would wipe the floor with the soviet navy. ergo the pacific empire would be untouched. Unlss Japan attacked USA.

The communists would likely make gains in at least northern China as well as Manchuria. The blue-water IJN would have to patrol the Yangtze for insurgents, which wouldn't sit well with the proud naval officers, nor would knowing they're trying to clean up the mess the Army made.
 
I've been looking, but I can't find what the Japanese demands from 1937 on, either those of the Army faction or the Moderate faction. Basically I am trying to determine how the Japanese could:

  • A) Attain the majority of their goals or
  • B) Attain "Peace with Honor"
I am also working under the basis of Chiang-Kai-shek either being thrown from power (not sure how reasonable that is) or dying from some cause (whether natural or not). Kai-shek was determined not to come to terms with the Japanese, so I'm wondering if whoever would attain power after would be as resolute, or would be willing to negotiate.

I would also note I am looking for ways to bring the Toseiha faction of the Army back to power without destabilizing the convergence of events, at least until the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War. I figure that even with a division between them and the Kodoha (the radical ultra-nationalists) remaining, the emphasis on modernization rather than elan would prove beneficial for the Japanese Army, as well as the removal of regional politics from influencing policy and promotions.
 
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I would also note I am looking for ways to bring the Toseiha faction of the Army back to power without destabilizing the convergence of events, at least until the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War. I figure that even with a division between them and the Kodoha (the radical ultra-nationalists) remaining, the emphasis on modernization rather than elan would prove beneficial for the Japanese Army, as well as the removal of regional politics from influencing policy and promotions.

The Kodo-ha in some respect is who you want to come out tops in the 2-26 Incident, not the Tosei-ha to fufill those ambitions. Since it was the aftermath of the incident that allowed the Tosei-ha to effectively push for full millitary control over the civil government.

The Kodo-ha faction may have been firebrands who were fairly unstablising to the civil regime, but unlike the Tosei-ha were in some respects far more loyal to the Emperor and to the notion of 'Japan' rather than the notion of 'A Milliteristic Empire'.

Historically it was the Tosei-ha who came out the best from the 2-26 Incident and placed an; "emphasis on modernization ... as well as the removal of regional politics from influencing policy and promotions."

@Cook, the point you make about removing the fratures in the politics. Although it did not bring good stability to politics like has been pointed out.

Well, let's just say it didn't "prove beneficial for the Japanese Army."
 
The communists would likely make gains in at least northern China as well as Manchuria. The blue-water IJN would have to patrol the Yangtze for insurgents, which wouldn't sit well with the proud naval officers, nor would knowing they're trying to clean up the mess the Army made.

The USSR would be lucky just be to be on the offensive vs. Japan by early 1943, leave alone have conquered Korea by that time!
 
The Kodo-ha in some respect is who you want to come out tops in the 2-26 Incident, not the Tosei-ha to fufill those ambitions. Since it was the aftermath of the incident that allowed the Tosei-ha to effectively push for full millitary control over the civil government.

The Kodo-ha faction may have been firebrands who were fairly unstablising to the civil regime, but unlike the Tosei-ha were in some respects far more loyal to the Emperor and to the notion of 'Japan' rather than the notion of 'A Milliteristic Empire'.

Historically it was the Tosei-ha who came out the best from the 2-26 Incident and placed an; "emphasis on modernization ... as well as the removal of regional politics from influencing policy and promotions."

But if that is the case, wouldn't this ATL Japanese Army be even weaker? :confused:
 
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