WI Japan loses in WWI - how far can they expand in WWII

Delta Force

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Still wrong forum, if the POD is prior to the year 1900 it belongs in the before 1900 forum. Really people, is it so hard to read the instructions in a purely logical fashion?

I've posted some threads with 1890s PoDs in post-1900 due to dealing with technology or events that became more prominent later on.
 
I fear you don't understand the power of butterflies...

If JApan gaisn influence in Korea in the 1870s (?) you set in Motion quite a few things

Japan will be a contender in China much earlier which might bring in in conflict with France, Britain and Russia - those Nation will by Default become more active to Counter Japanese gains - this alone might Change to situation in Europe.

Russia might be distrcted enough so the 1878 war against the OE is butterflied, but more likely changed. Russia might be inclined to give A-H more concessions (its occupied in China more than otl, so it might want to have a more secure flank with A-H)

In Addition Japanese Hawaii changes the whole dynaic in the Pacific - Relations between the US and Germany (Samoa) will be influenced - probably for the better)

TEH Spanish American war will be changed...

It would have been better you started asking questions with giving the real POD (+correct Forum) and then ask how big Japan would become (omitting WWI+WWII) - you would probably have got better reaction and a plausible TL of Events..
 
I fear you don't understand the power of butterflies...

If JApan gaisn influence in Korea in the 1870s (?) you set in Motion quite a few things

Japan will be a contender in China much earlier which might bring in in conflict with France, Britain and Russia - those Nation will by Default become more active to Counter Japanese gains - this alone might Change to situation in Europe.

Russia might be distrcted enough so the 1878 war against the OE is butterflied, but more likely changed. Russia might be inclined to give A-H more concessions (its occupied in China more than otl, so it might want to have a more secure flank with A-H)

In Addition Japanese Hawaii changes the whole dynaic in the Pacific - Relations between the US and Germany (Samoa) will be influenced - probably for the better)

TEH Spanish American war will be changed...

It would have been better you started asking questions with giving the real POD (+correct Forum) and then ask how big Japan would become (omitting WWI+WWII) - you would probably have got better reaction and a plausible TL of Events..
One of the PODs is in 1876. Japan gains influence in Korea by 1884.
Japanese aggression towards China has never really influenced relations in Europe, since we have an OTL example of the Triple Intervention - when Russia, France and Germany sought to remove Japan from the Liaotung peninsula after the First Sino-Japanese War.
Russia has no claims over the area since the Southern Manchuria is decades away from being built - they don't even have the Trans-Siberian Railway.
I don't know how Hawaii influences US-Germany relations, but I doubt it would be tremendous and make a huge difference in TTL since there were things still like the Moroccan and the Venezuelan crises.
Ye Spanish-American war will be changed, although that was purely between Spain(neutral) and America(Entente) OTL and have no large effects on WWI alliances.
 
It didn't affect the system of alliances, and it was in 1905 IOTL - fairly later on, in the scope of things.
It still has a major effect

No Russo-Japanese War, flaws in the Russian military are not made apparent, Russia does not start its massive military modernization on time, Germany is not as spooked by this and there isn't as much of a "now or never" attitude in Germany and A-H getting a blank check becomes unlikely, and with it the odds of a general european war breaking out drop heavily

That means the war breaks out later, possibly when France has abandoned 3 year conscription, modernized its artillery or abandoned plan XVII, all of which could have major effects on the war
 

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This has gone beyond unlikely to truly Jumping the Shark.

There is no point in try to respond to the initial scenario because the ground keeps shifting.
 
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