WI Japan "acquired" Indochina and DEI?

WI circa 1940 or 1941, Hitler persuaded Amsterdam to transfer control of the Dutch East Indies to Japanese authorities? Would this provide enough oil to sustain Japan?

WI at the same, Hitler convinced the Vichy French government to relinquish control over Indochina? Would this provided enough rubber and rice to keep the Japanese Army on the road to victory?

Would this be enough to break the American-imposed embargo of raw materials to Japan?
 
WI circa 1940 or 1941, Hitler persuaded Amsterdam to transfer control of the Dutch East Indies to Japanese authorities? Would this provide enough oil to sustain Japan?...
How does Hitler enforce the transfer? In the Original Timeline the Dutch government evacuated to the UK and (at least according to Wikipedia) they specifically refused the chance to return to Holland to collaborate because (if Wikipedia is correct) amongst other things they didn't want to face possible demands to hand over the Dutch East Indies (which were highly valuable oil producing territory).
And (at least in the Original Timeline) the Germans were hardly in the position to send a fleet to the Dutch Indies to strongarm a handover on the spot...

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In other words, please expand your scenario to explain just why the Dutch at least are going along with this? Amongst other things, it has a potential bearing on the mood (and 'ground situation') in the Dutch East Indies. The Japanese having nominal titular ownership doesn't do them much good if the oil refineries and wells are burning in the middle of a Dutch civil war...
 
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the pressure on Vichy regime to cooperate with Japan entering Indochina really soured German-French collaboration, probably have same effect if a Dutch state had been pressured to do similar in DEI?
 

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the pressure on Vichy regime to cooperate with Japan entering Indochina really soured German-French collaboration,

What demonstrates this? What cooperative measures were the too sides contemplating that Vichy slow-rolled after September 1940 or July 1941?
 
Dear Look More Closely Later,

Yes, I know that OTL the Dutch Royal Family escaped to Canada and stayed in Ottawa until the war ended.
Yes, I realize that the OTL Dutch gov't in exile was recognized by WALLIES .... a convenient legal .......
But OTL the Nazis controlled all of the Netherlands .....

However, this forum is about discussing ALTERNATE TIME LINES .....

My POD involves a right-wing, puppet Dutch government (in Amesterdam or The Hague) signing over control of DEI to Japan. Whether that was a lease or trade agreement, or mutual-cooperation pact is irrelevant. It was far too easy for Germany to starve, flood, imprison any Dutch gov't into signing any contract, lease, etc.
OTL Early in the war, neither the Royal Navy nor the US Navy have the strength to expel Japan from DEI.
 
My POD involves a right-wing, puppet Dutch government signing over control of DEI to Japan. Whether that was a lease or trade agreement, or mutual-cooperation pact is irrelevant. It was far too easy for Germany to starve, flood, imprison any Dutch gov't into signing any contract, lease, etc.
Early in the war, neither the Royal Navy nor the US Navy have the strength to expel Japan from DEI.

The result is probably the same - the British refusing the recognize the collaborator government in Amsterdam, and officially placing the East Indies under their protection. The Japanese would have the means to force them out, but that would require declaring war on them and the United States to secure their supply lines, and they might not think themselves ready for it in 1940.
 
...My POD involves a right-wing, puppet Dutch government (in Amesterdam or The Hague) signing over control of DEI to Japan. Whether that was a lease or trade agreement, or mutual-cooperation pact is irrelevant. It was far too easy for Germany to starve, flood, imprison any Dutch gov't into signing any contract, lease, etc.
OTL Early in the war, neither the Royal Navy nor the US Navy have the strength to expel Japan from DEI.
Right, but the Dutch East Indies are islands and the Dutch actually have warships and submarines over there. If the Dutch actually out there, running things on the ground in the Dutch East Indies, don't consider that there's legitimate authority telling them to hand things over (and preferably the head of state rubber stamping it, I would guess) they can make things very awkward for anyone who just imagines that they can sail in and take over unopposed.

At least the Vichy French regime in the Original Timeline was apparently widely accepted as the legitimate government of France in 1940 (and indeed whether acting under any kind of duress or not Pétain arguably was the legitimate successor to Reynauld), which seems to have helped the original timeline Japanese takeover of French Indo-China when orders duly went forth from Vichy.

If there's a Dutch Head of State and government in exile, I have difficulty imagining that anyone in the Dutch East Indies is just going to roll over and do anything that someone sitting in a chair in Amsterdam with a German pistol pointed at their head says about peacefully handing over to the Japanese.

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Or does your point of departure involve the Germans actually capturing the legitimate Dutch government and Head of State? Because if so I could see it being awkward for the Dutch East Indies to ignore orders from Holland, which look like they've been signed by the Head of State, to the effect 'Our number one favoured oil customer is now Imperial Japan, and please sell to them at very favourable rates...'
 
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Dear Look More Closely Later,

Yes, I know that OTL the Dutch Royal Family escaped to Canada and stayed in Ottawa until the war ended.
Yes, I realize that the OTL Dutch gov't in exile was recognized by WALLIES...

And by the Dutch colonial authorities in the East Indies. Germany can have Dutch puppets in the Netherlands issue any sort of statement they want; but no one elsewhere will obey.

When the Netherlands was invaded by Germany, the Governor-General of the DEI declared martial law, confiscated 19 German ships, and interned all German nationals.
 
the pressure on Vichy regime to cooperate with Japan entering Indochina really soured German-French collaboration, probably have same effect if a Dutch state had been pressured to do similar in DEI?

What demonstrates this? What cooperative measures were the too sides contemplating that Vichy slow-rolled after September 1940 or July 1941?

they could not get German aircraft into Morocco and Syria (other than stop-over flights in latter), the Paris Protocols remained a moving target (although to be fair due to both sides), traffic thru Tunisia remained a trickle.

in what ways do you think allowing occupation of Far Eastern colonies enhances collaboration between Germany and French and Dutch states?
 
However, this forum is about discussing ALTERNATE TIME LINES .....

My POD involves a right-wing, puppet Dutch government (in Amesterdam or The Hague) signing over control of DEI to Japan. Whether that was a lease or trade agreement, or mutual-cooperation pact is irrelevant. It was far too easy for Germany to starve, flood, imprison any Dutch gov't into signing any contract, lease, etc.
OTL Early in the war, neither the Royal Navy nor the US Navy have the strength to expel Japan from DEI.

if there was Vichy regime AND similar Dutch State might Nazi regime revert back to supporting KMT China? that trading bloc might appear better deal than (so far) fruitless dealings with Japan?
 
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