One immediate effect: if James is not Catholic, there wiill be no Monmouth's rebellion. He had no chance, but because of the religion issue, he thought he did. Without it, he won't even try.

If there is no Monmouth's rebellion, then there is no Bloody Assizes, and James is less paranoid and arbitrary. This diffuses much of the political energy behind the Glorious Revolution.
 
Ah I see, of course here he doesn’t have the whole need for the bride to be catholic thing so hosmoptions are likely more

Both the Württemberger and the Furstenberg lady were Catholic AFAIK. And while he probably wouldn't care one way or another about her religion, I think let's keep it in the Catholic vein (perhaps even with Maria Beatrice of Modena) just so that we can sort of see what the effects would be in England - compared to OTL. I think it's too difficult to posit what sort of consort Klaudia would be in London, based on her tenure in Vienna, since Austria and England are poles apart. So, let's keep everything - besides James converting - as close to OTL as possible.
 
Both the Württemberger and the Furstenberg lady were Catholic AFAIK. And while he probably wouldn't care one way or another about her religion, I think let's keep it in the Catholic vein (perhaps even with Maria Beatrice of Modena) just so that we can sort of see what the effects would be in England - compared to OTL. I think it's too difficult to posit what sort of consort Klaudia would be in London, based on her tenure in Vienna, since Austria and England are poles apart. So, let's keep everything - besides James converting - as close to OTL as possible.
This is true, I reckon then that James reign is more evenly balanced
 
I'm actually more interested in how the world would like without a Glorious Revolution. How would England manage as a superpower?
 
One immediate effect: if James is not Catholic, there wiill be no Monmouth's rebellion. He had no chance, but because of the religion issue, he thought he did. Without it, he won't even try.

If there is no Monmouth's rebellion, then there is no Bloody Assizes, and James is less paranoid and arbitrary. This diffuses much of the political energy behind the Glorious Revolution.

Interesting that. What role (if any) would Monmouth play in the new government?
 
I basically said that besides the fact that Jimmy doesn't convert, everything else stays the same. It makes everything that much simpler. Maybe the Lady Isabella lives, but beyond that, it seems like the least insane course to follow. Since otherwise, too much is different and we can't really get a good picture.

But everything’s not the same. There is no exclusion crisis, since that was about excluding a Catholic heir. So is the Popish plot, I would assume. The struggles of the latter reign of Charles is basically a struggle for Charlie to keep his brother as heir, which led to the formation of Whigs and Tories.
 
But everything’s not the same. There is no exclusion crisis, since that was about excluding a Catholic heir. So is the Popish plot, I would assume. The struggles of the latter reign of Charles is basically a struggle for Charlie to keep his brother as heir, which led to the formation of Whigs and Tories.

So, could Charles even manage a few more years, without the added stress? Although while the Whigs and Tories might've officially been formed during Charles II/James II's reigns, the court vs. country parties had existed long before that. But to see different political parties forming in England could make for fun and games.
 
Not being that familiar, maybe the Protestants go to America earlier, and in larger numbers? There might also be no English Civil War?
 
So, could Charles even manage a few more years, without the added stress? Although while the Whigs and Tories might've officially been formed during Charles II/James II's reigns, the court vs. country parties had existed long before that. But to see different political parties forming in England could make for fun and games.
I’m not sure how Charles reign in the latter years would go, because the Exclusion Crisis DOMINATED everything. My guess is that the alt Tories would be even stronger than OTL and consequently the monarchy, since their creed is basically King and Anglicanism, which in OTL James forced to choose between religion and loyalty. In this case, the alt Tories would remain solidly behind James and Charles.
 
Not being that familiar, maybe the Protestants go to America earlier, and in larger numbers? There might also be no English Civil War?

Wrong James. This is after the Civil War and Restoration. But it makes for an interesting thought discussion. Mind if I borrow this for a what-if?
 
I’m not sure how Charles reign in the latter years would go, because the Exclusion Crisis DOMINATED everything. My guess is that the alt Tories would be even stronger than OTL and consequently the monarchy, since their creed is basically King and Anglicanism, which in OTL James forced to choose between religion and loyalty. In this case, the alt Tories would remain solidly behind James and Charles.

More in line with the Cavaliers of the Civil War than the Tories under the Georges, then?
 
Wrong James. This is after the Civil War and Restoration. But it makes for an interesting thought discussion. Mind if I borrow this for a what-if?
Go ahead, lol. I was thinking of the earlier James, the one who really seemed to be something of an a-hole. :)
 
More in line with the Cavaliers of the Civil War than the Tories under the Georges, then?
Yes. Those defeated the Exclusion Bill in OTL because of their loyalty to the Stuarts. Some of them were literally Cavaliers in the Civil War. They believed in the Divine Anglican Right to Rule. And in OTL, controlled Parliament and Gave a Catholic James a perpetual income. Only James’ Catholicism drove them away and lead to the Whigs having the strength to overthrow James.
 
Yes. Those defeated the Exclusion Bill in OTL because of their loyalty to the Stuarts. Some of them were literally Cavaliers in the Civil War. They believed in the Divine Anglican Right to Rule. And in OTL, controlled Parliament and Gave a Catholic James a perpetual income. Only James’ Catholicism drove them away and lead to the Whigs having the strength to overthrow James.

No exclusion Crisis and no Popish Plot means shit is much better. I like this already
 
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