WI: Ivan the Terrible doesn't kill his son?

Apparently, Ivan IV and his son had a degrading relationship when the Czar accidentally killed his son. It's likely Ivan Ivanovitch would have opposed his father while the latter lived, possibly aligning himself with Boris Godunov.

This would be more likely if you have Ivan Ivanovitch survive the dispute with his father that lead to his death : Boris Godunov was also wounded during that dispute when he tried to stop the two Ivans, as well as the Czarevitch's wife Yelena (as a matter of fact, she was being beaten by Ivan and her screams led to Ivan Ivanovitch coming to her rescue and his dispute with Ivan IV) who was pregnant and lost her baby because of the incident.
 
Well with a surviving
rurikovich you can maybe bypass the time of troubles. Only problem is that you need to find a way to bridge hatred beetween father and son.
It would be interesting to see a Russia under the rurikovichs instead of Romanov.
 
What about removing factors that led to Ivan the Terrible as an insane ruler? I came across this link, and it mentioned something about Ivan IV's mother with the support of the Bielski boyars, removed the Shuisky boyars that killed Vasily III and Ivan IV's upbringing was better than OTL.
 
Time of troubles would be avoided entirely in its political sense, but his son would still have to cope with the catastrophic russian famine of 1601 - 1603 which killed the third of the population. And if he has capable advisors, Boris Godunov style ones, you could speed up historical events up to 50 years. So maybe; Deluge 50 years earlier, conquest of Ingria on the Baltics as well, etc..
 
A different Ivan V with Boris Godunov style advisors would have done wonders. Would it be more sensible if Godunov himself became Ivan's advisor? We're talking about a massive butterfly effect, and with it, Russia's emergence as a European power with great speed. Let's hope it doesn't end up as an ASB issue.

I have a TL where Russia becomes a Pacific power with a colony in SE Asia. I'm not sure if I can integrate my thread into this plausible question or not. I do know that if this butterfly effect were to occur, would Russia still be looking towards the East for expansion?
 
A different Ivan V with Boris Godunov style advisors would have done wonders. Would it be more sensible if Godunov himself became Ivan's advisor? We're talking about a massive butterfly effect, and with it, Russia's emergence as a European power with great speed. Let's hope it doesn't end up as an ASB issue.

I have a TL where Russia becomes a Pacific power with a colony in SE Asia. I'm not sure if I can integrate my thread into this plausible question or not. I do know that if this butterfly effect were to occur, would Russia still be looking towards the East for expansion?

That's after Yermak, IIRC, so yes it would :)
EDIT: I've checked, and the POD is actually during Yermak's expedition; still too late to influence it noticeably.
 
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Which thread are you talking about? All I did was to make sure Russia in my TL remains isolated enough to go to the east. Someone gave me an advice about making the thread. I may need help on that department, or I'll have to redo the thread entirely.
 
That's after Yermak, IIRC, so yes it would :)
EDIT: I've checked, and the POD is actually during Yermak's expedition; still too late to influence it noticeably.

Yeah, but I'd try it out. The thread. Most of the threads I come across here regaridng the Philippines are always situations where they end up as either part of the US (which I could understand), or Japan (which I don't understand why). I'm the only guy who tried to make a Russian Philippines, and might as well try making a thread on Ottoman Philippines.

Another factor in Ivan the not-so-Terrible's sparing of his son and daughter in law would be no Romanov on the throne, and basically no Peter the Great and no Romanov massacre by Bolsheviks. Catherine the Great was reported as a descendant of Rurik.
 
IMHO, the question of Russia going to the east with a 1581+ POD (i.e. after Yermak) isn't really one of isolationism - it's more like "there's those vast unsettled lands with huge amounts of furs, let's go there!" As such, it wasn't too much different from the settlement of western US and Canada, which IIRC wasn't really done by isolationist nations :)
The main problem with that is, of course, that if Russia isn't isolationist enough, it can easily get itself into a European war and badly lose it (which doesn't go well with the continued existence of any Russian state - but only as related to this does it have anything to do with Siberia).
Oh, and if you didn't get it, that's all about Siberia. Move too far south and the main problem becomes the reaction of Persia and/or China. As such, Russian Philippines aren't too unreasonable with a POD in the 18th century, but with one as early as this (i.e. without Peter I and his expansionism) quite unlikely without a Russian China, Indochina and/or India (not sure which of those is the least ASB, but all three look the part - of course, if the Russians try to mess too much with the late Ming and/or early Qing... ;))


...So what, how? :)
January First-of-May

PS: BTW, Sibirskaya, where are you from, and where did you get your handle? :):)
 
IMHO, the question of Russia going to the east with a 1581+ POD (i.e. after Yermak) isn't really one of isolationism - it's more like "there's those vast unsettled lands with huge amounts of furs, let's go there!" As such, it wasn't too much different from the settlement of western US and Canada, which IIRC wasn't really done by isolationist nations :)
The main problem with that is, of course, that if Russia isn't isolationist enough, it can easily get itself into a European war and badly lose it (which doesn't go well with the continued existence of any Russian state - but only as related to this does it have anything to do with Siberia).
Oh, and if you didn't get it, that's all about Siberia. Move too far south and the main problem becomes the reaction of Persia and/or China. As such, Russian Philippines aren't too unreasonable with a POD in the 18th century, but with one as early as this (i.e. without Peter I and his expansionism) quite unlikely without a Russian China, Indochina and/or India (not sure which of those is the least ASB, but all three look the part - of course, if the Russians try to mess too much with the late Ming and/or early Qing... ;))


...So what, how? :)
January First-of-May

PS: BTW, Sibirskaya, where are you from, and where did you get your handle? :):)

Actually, I did contemplate about having Russian Philippines happen during my Four Year War (counterpart: Seven Years' War) Not all of China would fall under Russian rule though. I included the Revolt of the Three Feudatories where the Ming is restored, the Qing overthrown and their Manchu homeland taken over by Russia, and made Korea a protectorate.

I'm from Canada, and what do you mean my handle? If you're referring to someone who's helping me, ZachScape helps me a bit, but the TL is mostly my own work.
 
Handle. Nick. Member name. Whatever you call it :)

I just came up with it randomly, though I wouldn't be able to change it. If there's something wrong with my thread, I could use a little help in fixing it. Though I have someone else help me with the map project.

On the other hand, I had developed a separate TL regarding a similar thread to mine on this site, but I'm using it for my fanfic. I still have to iron out the defects, and with your idea of an earlier Russian Philippines. My PoD for my thread actually started back in the 17th century, just to give Russia a hundred years to become a Pacific power. Yeah, i may have to redo my thread, and it's going to be a very long one though. I just gave several nations a minor wank before Russia reaches the Pacific.
 
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