YesEven with the establishment of an Italo-Japanese-Ethiopian alliance?
YesEven with the establishment of an Italo-Japanese-Ethiopian alliance?
Could Japan potentially a more prominent role in Ethiopia with a PoD in the Russo-Japanese War and/or World War 1?
yes but I doubt much given the distance and lack of any Japanese interests in Africa along with the interests of the neighboring nations.Could Japan potentially a more prominent role in Ethiopia with a PoD in the Russo-Japanese War and/or World War 1?
Would this be enough reason for Japan to become more active in Ethiopia:yes but I doubt much given the distance and lack of any Japanese interests in Africa along with the interests of the neighboring nations.
Japan doesn't have an influence or need any in Africa and any access to Ethiopia is at the discretion of the Europeans
- Expanding her influence and actually becoming pro-independence.
Easier to get from China and the rest of Asia.
- Access to Ethiopia's natural resources.
No reason for it's existence after world war 1.
- Continued Anglo-Japanese alliance.
Considering Ethiopia is surrounded by Allied colonies on all sides, she probably will but you could see Ethiopia claim a colony or two for coastal access - similar to how Japan snatched up Vietnam.Well if Ethiopia is smart, she’ll NOPE out on war versus the allies.
Do you think Germany would be able to play a more prominent role?Germany is by far the better third party to this; at least if you postulate a reasonably strong Ethiopia.
(Fascist) Italy has far less avenues of expansion, and is not going to let Ethiopia expand towards the sea; the British are more likely to allow Ethiopian expansion in that direction, but only if they end up at war with France or Italy (unlikely). They also no longer get along well with Japan.
Germany of course has no major way to provide direct help, but wouldn't have a problem with any Ethiopian wargoal as long as they manage to seize them; it may not make a huge difference in Europe, but it's basically free.
Unite in the sense of a common anti-colonial alliance and cultural force yes, but not as a unified african nation-state or something. I was thinking more along the lines of Pan-Slavism type cultural affinity than Pan-Arab type country mergers.I thought Jerseyguy was talking about a unite all black people type pan-africanism
That's actually what I was thinking of for the Italo-Japanese-Ethiopian Axis idea - to have Ethiopia avoid war with Italy through armed neutrality but have the Italians and Japanese assist with Ethiopian modernization in exchange for testing out new equipment in Ethiopia, resource exploitation and investment opportunities as well as favorable treatment for immigrants.A better idea would be somehow avoiding the Second Italian Ethiopian war but the events in Europe go similar to otl and Ethiopia joins Allies and takes Italy's East African colonies.
Elaborate - this sounds interesting.Unite in the sense of a common anti-colonial alliance and cultural force yes, but not as a unified african nation-state or something. I was thinking more along the lines of Pan-Slavism type cultural affinity than Pan-Arab type country mergers.
Countries with a common culture heritage are friendly with each other and may play up their differences, but that doesn't mean their about to merge their identities by forming some federal mega state. If the USSR wanted to curry favor in Bulgaria or Yugoslavia, for example, it could make propaganda posters about the Red Army liberating Belgrade from the nazis and rhetoric about the brotherly orthodox/slavic nations teaming up to resist fascism.Elaborate - this sounds interesting.
Do you think Germany would be able to play a more prominent role?
It seems to me it was mostly Mussolini who was concerned with revenge in Ethiopia but wouldn't it be possible for Italy to consider such an alliance if Ethiopia goes Fascist and attempts to reorganize itself along Italian lines? If not, what would happen if the Battle of Adwa had been butterflied away in your opinion?One would at least need to butterfly away the Battle of Adwa for such alliance to be possible. The Italian nationalists and militarists longed for the revenge of Adwa and conquest of Ethiopia was depicted in OTL Italy as a the thing necessary for Italy to be great again.
A PoD with Ethiopia accepting a German Military Mission in 1906 might see earlier and better German-Ethiopian relations long-term.If Ethiopia is stronger than OTL (and thus at least potentially valuable) then of course Germany could pursue a bigger role in/with Ethiopia.
A revisionist and expansionist power on the rise... What's not to like?
Ethiopia is still landlocked so if it tried to expand without allying with one of the neighboring colonial powers. It would lose it's connection to any arms or other resources need for a war effort.If Ethiopia is stronger than OTL (and thus at least potentially valuable) then of course Germany could pursue a bigger role in/with Ethiopia.
A revisionist and expansionist power on the rise... What's not to like?
How about an alliance with France and even Russia?Ethiopia is still landlocked so if it tried to expand without allying with one of the neighboring colonial powers. It would lose it's connection to any arms or other resources need for a war effort.
That would workHow about an alliance with France and even Russia?