WI Islamic Protestant Reformation?

Eh? For one, feminists do, and I respect that. But they lack money and credibility. Saudi shirkophobes have no real competition.


And you know what ? Western Imperialism has been such a gooooooooooooooodddddddd help for them.

But no, they won't be able to assimilate all muslims. Yes they are unmatched among muslims in global stage, for now. But me, living in Indonesia myself, it's obvious already that at least they won't be able to take over here. There will maybe an Islamist regime taking over in not so forseeable future here, but certainly not really Saudi-oriented, and saying "not really" is pushing it for politeness. Orthodoxy doesn't equal Saudism. Ultra-Orthodox Aceh isn't Saudist after all...


And even if sane approachment of Islam actually has been walking to point of obliteration, it's not since 19th century, but since 1922.
 

Skokie

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And you know what ? Western Imperialism has been such a gooooooooooooooodddddddd help for them.

For whom, exactly?

But no, they won't be able to assimilate all muslims. Yes they are unmatched among muslims in global stage, for now. But me, living in Indonesia myself, it's obvious already that they won't be able to take over here. There will maybe an Islamist regime taking over in not so forseeable future here, but certainly not really Saudi-oriented, and saying "not really" is pushing it for politeness. Orthodoxy doesn't equal Saudism. Ultra-Orthodox Aceh isn't Saudist after all...

I'm talking in very broad, historical and cultural terms. Put Islamist regimes aside for a second, and consider the more subtle ways Saudi Islam is colonizing the minds of Muslims. Consider the whole contretemps in South Asia over the phrase "khuda hafez" vs. "Allah hafez."

http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2004/01-15Mar04-Print-Edition/0103200455.htm
 
1) For whom, exactly?



2) I'm talking in very broad, historical and cultural terms. Put Islamist regimes aside for a second, and consider the more subtle ways Saudi Islam is colonizing the minds of Muslims. Consider the whole contretemps in South Asia over the phrase "khuda hafez" vs. "Allah hafez."

http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2004/01-15Mar04-Print-Edition/0103200455.htm

1) Err... the Shirkophobes ? In a certain way.... ;):rolleyes:

2) Well that's something very nitpicking and nosy. And I've been hearing news that the Saudism has been creeping into the marrow in Bangladesh. However it's certainly not the case here. I don't know, maybe because it's to diverse here, and also there's enough Christians here to have fellows on "God or Allah" thing(yes, the Christians here use ALLAH. Jesus, Son of ALLAH. "Tuhan" is to accomodate the Hindus.), and also that most Sunni Orthodox ethnic groups, if not all, are against to what they often consider as "Arabism". And that's the Orthodox ones, not the certain single largest ethnic group which a quite sizable number of them have their Islam-ness doubted by many.....
 

Skokie

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1) Err... the Shirkophobes ? In a certain way.... ;):rolleyes:

ETA: At this point I really don't know what we're saying, re Shirkophobes and colonialism. :p I'm a shirkophile myself.

2) Well that's something very nitpicking and nosy.

Colonialism often operates in subtle ways, as Edward Said would note.

And I've been hearing news that the Saudism has been creeping into the marrow in Bangladesh. However it's certainly not the case here.

Consider yourself lucky then.

I don't know, maybe because it's to diverse here, and also there's enough Christians here to have fellows on "God or Allah" thing(yes, the Christians here use ALLAH. Jesus, Son of ALLAH. "Tuhan" is to accomodate the Hindus.), and also that most Sunni Orthodox ethnic groups, if not all, are against to what they often consider as "Arabism". And that's the Orthodox ones, not the certain single largest ethnic group which a quite sizable number of them have their Islam-ness doubted by many.....

Maronites and Melkites call God "Allah," too.

However, that's different from making it a point to say ALLAH hafiz instead of Khuda hafiz.
 
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