WI: Irina Mikhailovna Weds Prince Valdemar of Schleswig

Valdi was the son of Christian IV and Kristin Munck. He went to Russia to wed Irina Mikhailovna, but refused when he found out converting to Orthdoxy was part of the deal. He wound up in a Russian prison for a while (3 years IIRC). When Valdi went back to Denmark and his dad died, he and Frederik III locked horns because Valdi tried to claim the elective Danish throne. After this Valdi lived abroad, first in Sweden, then in Poland (where he died).

But what if he HAD agreed to convert? Besides Valdemarovich being a mouthful of a patronym, how would this affect things? Irina's "rejection" was the reason that no Russian tsarevna after her (until Pyotr Velikiy's nieces) married abroad. Obviously Valdi being Orthodox makes it unlikely that he would be able to put in a serious claim for the Danish throne when his dad died. And was the conversion limited to him or did it include his descendants as well?

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Valdi was the son of Christian IV and Kristin Munck. He went to Russia to wed Irina Mikhailovna, but refused when he found out converting to Orthdoxy was part of the deal. He wound up in a Russian prison for a while (3 years IIRC). When Valdi went back to Denmark and his dad died, he and Frederik III locked horns because Valdi tried to claim the elective Danish throne. After this Valdi lived abroad, first in Sweden, then in Poland (where he died).

But what if he HAD agreed to convert? Besides Valdemarovich being a mouthful of a patronym, how would this affect things? Irina's "rejection" was the reason that no Russian tsarevna after her (until Pyotr Velikiy's nieces) married abroad. Obviously Valdi being Orthodox makes it unlikely that he would be able to put in a serious claim for the Danish throne when his dad died. And was the conversion limited to him or did it include his descendants as well?

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Patronym is easy, Vladimirovich. If he is an Orthodox, all his claims are probably dead and his children are Orthodox as well, at least if he remains in Russia. What position he has in Russia and which titles his descendants will have is anybody’s guess.
 
Patronym is easy, Vladimirovich. If he is an Orthodox, all his claims are probably dead and his children are Orthodox as well, at least if he remains in Russia. What position he has in Russia and which titles his descendants will have is anybody’s guess.

Wasn't he supposed to get Prince of Uglich? Or am I getting him mixed up with Gustaf Vasa (Erik XIV's son)
 
His claims was very weak already as his mother was a left hand wife. His conversion doesn't change anything de jura, there was no religious limitation on being elected king of Denmark, on the other hand in practice the Danish nobility would never have elected a non-Protestant as king, I could barely imagine them electing a non-Lutheran Protestant as king. The Danish nobility was rigid High Lutherans far more than the royal family were, which was one of the few thing which favoured Frederick III in his election.
 
Wasn't he supposed to get Prince of Uglich? Or am I getting him mixed up with Gustaf Vasa (Erik XIV's son)

Different time (Gustaf Vasa was betrothed to Ksenia, daughter of Boris Godunov) and I simply can't tell if the system of granting principalities still worked under the early Romanov tsars.
 
According to the Russian wikipedia, Irina was very taken with Valdemar (I'm going off google translate here), and apparently there was a whole debate chronicled between the Lutheran pastor that Valdi brought with him and some members of the Orthodox Church.

That said, Irina had a strong influence on her brother, Alexei. So, I wonder if she's married off to a "foreign (but domesticated)" prince, she won't "lose" said influence of him. After all, if she's wed, was there anything in the marriage contract which said she/her husband wasn't allowed to leave Russia?
 
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