WI Infante Carlos becomes King of Spain in 1833?

What if the Pragmatic Sanction of 1830 in Spain is avoided or repealed before Ferdinand's death?

The Carlist pretender would be crowned I supposed, but would then a "liberal" insurrection start?: the "Isabellista Wars" would maybe replace OTL's Carlist wars?

Or maybe could Spain stay more peaceful, although probably more reactionary? What could the long term consequences for Spain's economical/social developement be?
 
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I can imagine a liberal wars taking place in Spain akin to that of Portugal. Without the pragmatic sanction, I can see the Liberals wanted to depose Carlos V in favor of the Infante Francisco de Paula, who was a moderate liberal.
 
Sorry for the bump, but has anyone else some ideas?

I hoped to find a POD to avoid the Carlist wars, or at least reduce their impact, maybe getting a quicker industrialisation in Spain...
 
Well, this would probably get rid of the Carlist Wars (at least as OTL), what with Carlos having the crown etc. However, it doesn't preclude Carlos being assassinated by someone from the liberal element - which could have negative effects as the monarchy might turn even further from the liberal movement.

That said, do we have any idea, besides his issuing of manifestos and the comment about Carlos being "more royalist than the king, more Catholic than the pope" as to what sort of politician he was?

Even if Carlos manages to survive assassination, he might not survive a deposition if the 1848 still sweeps through Europe as OTL. Though whether that deposition will be in favor of his eldest son (Montemolin) or his more "liberal" younger brother (Cadiz) would remain to be seen.
 
Well, this would probably get rid of the Carlist Wars (at least as OTL), what with Carlos having the crown etc. However, it doesn't preclude Carlos being assassinated by someone from the liberal element - which could have negative effects as the monarchy might turn even further from the liberal movement.

That said, do we have any idea, besides his issuing of manifestos and the comment about Carlos being "more royalist than the king, more Catholic than the pope" as to what sort of politician he was?

Even if Carlos manages to survive assassination, he might not survive a deposition if the 1848 still sweeps through Europe as OTL. Though whether that deposition will be in favor of his eldest son (Montemolin) or his more "liberal" younger brother (Cadiz) would remain to be seen.

Or a Republic, I'm sure the liberals would rather follow with the French model and decide to get rid of the monarchy altogether...
 
Sorry for the bump, but has anyone else some ideas?

I hoped to find a POD to avoid the Carlist wars, or at least reduce their impact, maybe getting a quicker industrialisation in Spain...

To only avoid the Carlist wars that would work, but the monarchy would lose very much popularity and a lot of people in Spain would want to replace it with a republic. So things could get a lot worse in the end.
 
Would Spain really go the republican route, though? I mean, their own First Republic didn't last too long (and the Isabellino government was likewise unpopular, if only for different reasons). Also would there be a Franco-like figure who could take the reins of government if the monarchy were to be abolished?

And if a republic were to be declared in Spain (meaning the Bourbons have been thrown from two of their four thrones by 1848), how would the rest of Europe react to it? France's tendency to republicanism was viewed as dangerous enough by the Holy Alliance, now suddenly France and Spain are not only sharing a border, but a form of government too, might we see foreign intervention in this scenario?
 
Would Spain really go the republican route, though? I mean, their own First Republic didn't last too long (and the Isabellino government was likewise unpopular, if only for different reasons). Also would there be a Franco-like figure who could take the reins of government if the monarchy were to be abolished?

And if a republic were to be declared in Spain (meaning the Bourbons have been thrown from two of their four thrones by 1848), how would the rest of Europe react to it? France's tendency to republicanism was viewed as dangerous enough by the Holy Alliance, now suddenly France and Spain are not only sharing a border, but a form of government too, might we see foreign intervention in this scenario?

It's possible, I mean stranger things have happened in history.


Then again, there weren't many true Republicans during the time of the First Spanish Republic in 1873, so it's likely Spanish Republicans would be even fewer in 1848, if such a thing even exists.

But if such a thing happens and Spain and France becomes Republics, who would even intervene? Great Britain? Unless Spain is deeply allied to France, it's unlikely. Austria? They still have their own 1848 of it's own to deal with. Russia? They'd literally have to cross the whole continent to pull it off. Not worth it.
 
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