WI: India's economy booms, China's lags despite the Deng reforms

There are many threads on the general topic of India reforming its economy much as China did, historically. This is merely the most recent, and a thought occurred to me:

Let us assume that the history of Communist China pretty much goes as it did, with the Cultural Revolution leading to the convulsions that ultimately opened up the economy. I'm of the school of thought that it wasn't so much Deng being a visionary reformer as just a pragmatist that realized that the Party could no longer afford to impose Maoist style communism on such a vast country, and with the local populations all but ignoring Beijing's attempts at re-asserting control, it was better to just go with the flow rather than against it.

Let us also assume that India's economy booms quite well, and prior to when China's do in our history. Supply chains and all the rest of the physical, political, and interpersonal logistics involved in becoming a major exporting country develop around this, effectively beating China to the punch. Ties between local and foreign companies, favorable trade treaties, the whole bunch. China, meanwhile, struggles to catch up, having little to offer that India doesn't in this scenario. They may find some niches to fill, so they're not quite as stagnant as India was in our history, but nothing like their historical performance. Lets say that India's nominal GDP is somewhere in the ballpark of China's ($14.8 trillion), while China's is between Germany's ($3.8 tril) and Japan's ($4.9 tril) - better than India's in our history ($2.6 tril) but no juggernaut.

So, here's the big question I'm most interested in: What is the likely assessment of the Chinese reforms in this world's discourse? How do policy makers, academics, pundits, etc. view a vast communist country that has embraced comparable market reforms to what we've seen from our history's China, but has struggled to achieve true wealth from them? On the one hand, some might argue that this is proof that a market economy is not that much superior to a communist economy, but this scenario has India achieving said reforms and reaping the benefit, and though they were not communist, they certainly had an economy that was state controlled enough to make little difference.
 
Yup. I’m more interested in China’s situation in this world.
China is tougher to figure out. They have a massive consumer market, which is a benefit, but if India liberalizes its economy first, then it is probably more challenging for China to become as dominant of a producer for world markets as quickly as it has. In the long run though, China has some advantages for itself that India won't, and the Chinese have millennia of playing the long game.
 
China is tougher to figure out. They have a massive consumer market, which is a benefit, but if India liberalizes its economy first, then it is probably more challenging for China to become as dominant of a producer for world markets as quickly as it has. In the long run though, China has some advantages for itself that India won't, and the Chinese have millennia of playing the long game.
What would you see as their advantages?
 
What would you see as their advantages?
Better engrained national identity, stronger internal stability, the fleeting advantages of autocratic regimes when it comes to labor practices, higher literacy, and a different pool of natural resources, such as the rare earth minerals utilized for computer chips.
 
Better engrained national identity, stronger internal stability, the fleeting advantages of autocratic regimes when it comes to labor practices, higher literacy, and a different pool of natural resources, such as the rare earth minerals utilized for computer chips.
Internal stability is not something that you could really describe China of the Cultural Revolution as having. Without the economic boom afterward, how much would be papered over?

As for rare earths, that is almost without a doubt one area I’d still see them excelling in, if only because an authoritarian regime would have an easier time dealing with concerns about environmental degradation.
 
Internal stability is not something that you could really describe China of the Cultural Revolution as having. Without the economic boom afterward, how much would be papered over?

As for rare earths, that is almost without a doubt one area I’d still see them excelling in, if only because an authoritarian regime would have an easier time dealing with concerns about environmental degradation.
The Communist Party has had no real chance of losing power at any time short of war with the USSR after 1952. India ha faced low level insurgencies for decades.

I think the real difference here comes down to foreign policy. Does an India thriving in the eighties and nineties supplant China as a lead investor in much of the developing world?
 
The Communist Party has had no real chance of losing power at any time short of war with the USSR after 1952. India ha faced low level insurgencies for decades.

I think the real difference here comes down to foreign policy. Does an India thriving in the eighties and nineties supplant China as a lead investor in much of the developing world?
Oh, I agree they were not likely to lose power. Just that they were not stable.

I would imagine a richer India would indeed be a major investor in the developing world.
 
Oh, I agree they were not likely to lose power. Just that they were not stable.

I would imagine a richer India would indeed be a major investor in the developing world.
I meant stable in a political sense, not in a sense conducive to economic prosperity.
 
I meant stable in a political sense, not in a sense conducive to economic prosperity.
As did I. The Cultural Revolution was indicative of a party that was not politically stable. I’m not saying they were apt to fall out of power, but there’s plenty of daylight between those two options.
 
over half of the indian reforms were inspired by Deng's reforms. Without the Deng reforms succeeding, the Indians aren't going to be doing anything else other than removing license raj. Which would be an improvement, but not at all resulting in a boom like otl.
 
over half of the indian reforms were inspired by Deng's reforms. Without the Deng reforms succeeding, the Indians aren't going to be doing anything else other than removing license raj. Which would be an improvement, but not at all resulting in a boom like otl.
Then assume they’re inspired by something else.
 
In terms of POD, here are three possible scenarios in which it can happen -
  1. Swatantra Party wins and reforms the financial and economic policies of the country in the 60s
  2. India Moves closer to USA during the cold war and liberalizes as a result
  3. Deng simply does not come to power and India reforms in 90s, as such China's Economy would be smaller

Just have the License raj be abolished earlier and China not opening and you will have your scenario
 
In terms of POD, here are three possible scenarios in which it can happen -
  1. Swatantra Party wins and reforms the financial and economic policies of the country in the 60s
  2. India Moves closer to USA during the cold war and liberalizes as a result
  3. Deng simply does not come to power and India reforms in 90s, as such China's Economy would be smaller

Just have the License raj be abolished earlier and China not opening and you will have your scenario
#3 is a non-starter as it contradicts the premise of the discussion, which is not that China doesn’t reform, but that India, having beat them to it, has a first mover advantage and takes their spot as the world’s sweatshop.
 
#3 is a non-starter as it contradicts the premise of the discussion, which is not that China doesn’t reform, but that India, having beat them to it, has a first mover advantage and takes their spot as the world’s sweatshop.
Well, in that case, have India reform earlier through the first two pods, and with that India could take have the manufacturing industries that would have otherwise gone to China
 
Well, in that case, have India reform earlier through the first two pods, and with that India could take have the manufacturing industries that would have otherwise gone to China
That is generally the idea. The question then is: what next? What does the world look like with a rich India and a China that just can’t quite get off the ground? What do foreign affairs look like? What about the general consensus on the reforms of both countries?
 
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