WI:Independent Navarre

so how could there be a Navarrese Kingdom that survives in Spain and France until the present day? I was thinking that during the rebellion of 1521 in Spain the Navarrese are successful, thus uniting upper and lower Navarre into a kingdom? is that possible, and how long could it last?

any other way to get a lasting Navarre in the two areas?
 
That may get you a Navarre Kingdom in Spain ( I don't know enough to comment ) but not in France.

For that, the easiest PoD would be Muret ( to get France farther North ).

Other than this, you could get a split during the religious wars ( esp if Henry IV doesn't convert or inherit at all- one of Henry II's sons has a son? - ), but that's tricky, as I have difficulties seeing a smallish protestant state survive between Spain and an hostile catholic *France. Perhaps if Navarre already exists in Spain - and turns protestant - there can be a Union?
 
The POD should go back to the Reconquista. The first alternative is Sancho III "the strong" in the XI century. If he does not divide his realm between his sons we would have an earlier Spain but formed from Navarre as he claimed the title of Rex Hispaniarum. Then in the XII you could make the personal union with Aragón under Alfonso I to survive, then we could have a kingdom of Navarre dominating the Ebro valley. You have the same posibility in the XIII century when Sancho VII declared his heir Jaime I of Aragon (and Jaime I declared his heir Sancho VII). Let Jaime I die and the aragonese noblemen to accept Sancho VII and you have another Aragon-Navarre union. Later than that it would be hard to imagine and Navarre would have to face annexation to Castille, Aragon, Spain or France.

As for the basque question, that would depend. If you have Castille integrated in Navarre, the answer is yes. If not, you must have into account that Castille was born as a way of defending the interests of basques and castillians against the strong kingdoms of Leon and Navarre. Whenever the basques incorporated freely to another political entity that was Castille.
 
Well, the independent kingdom of French Navarre could theoretically hold out if the Bourbon line doesn't become heirs to the French throne (all the brothers of the last Valois not having sons is unlikely, but what happened) or if the queen who married the Duc de Bourbon married someone else, so even if the Bourbons inherit France, Navarre remains separate

But... How long this will last ? If France ends up in the chaos of OTL as per the minority of Louis XIII it gives Navarre a greater chance

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
WI Charles V and Francis I sign a treaty that would leave the french part of the kingdom with a status similar to that of Andorra?
 
WI Charles V and Francis I sign a treaty that would leave the french part of the kingdom with a status similar to that of Andorra?

Andorra was different though, it had already existed for centuries, and was small and relatively insignificant. the Navarrese kingdom had only existed for decades (the French one anyway) and was a lot larger.


but what I was aiming for was a surviving Navarre with BOTH the Basque lands and French Navarre, I wondered if there was a way for that to happen. and since the Kingdom only converted to Calvinism in the 1580s, the kingdom would be back to being centered in France decades before, so I think it would be Catholic.
 
It's not necessary to have a restoration of Navarre. It was only annexed by Ferdinand the Catholic in 1512 - avoid that for some reason. If Castile and Aragon aren't united or their union only last some years before breaking up (both events almost happened in OTL) then Navarre has all the tickets to survive.

but what I was aiming for was a surviving Navarre with BOTH the Basque lands and French Navarre, I wondered if there was a way for that to happen.

Perhaps the easiest POD ever: Navarre defeats Castile when she invaded the Basque Country in 1200, or Castile simply doesn't invade. In fact, that war's starting, development and aftermath was so incredibly stupid that a person from an ATL would describe it as the work of a noob.
 
IIRC Ferdinand was only able to annex Navarre with some tiny semblance of legality because of his second marriage which was to a princess of Navarre at a time of disputed succession within the kingdom.

One supposes that two possible PODs arise out of this - the male heir, I forget his name, lives, or Ferdinand doesn't marry for a second time (although that changes quite a lot later during the troubles as his second wife exercised some important roles in the years immediately after his death)

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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