WI: Independent Burgundy (No, the other one)

OK, I've noticed that the survival of Valois Burgundy gets occasionally discussed on here, but is it possible for either of the two previous incarnations of Burgundy to survive into the modern era? (Both occupied roughly the same spot on the map-the Rhone river valley in southeast France)

Does surviving Burgundy mean Occitan/Provencial remains a major European language?
 

Susano

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OK, I've noticed that the survival of Valois Burgundy gets occasionally discussed on here, but is it possible for either of the two previous incarnations of Burgundy to survive into the modern era? (Both occupied roughly the same spot on the map-the Rhone river valley in southeast France)

Does surviving Burgundy mean Occitan/Provencial remains a major European language?

Okay, you stole the title (and the idea?) from my post in the other thread, didnt you? :p

Personally I would say its possible but difficult. As soon as the HRE acquired the Kingdom it more or less immidiately forgot about it and ignored it, which is why it so rapidly fell piece by piece to France. OTOH, the reason the HRE could take over was the constant chaos and succession struggles in Burgundy. So, there needs to be strong dynasty, as unconnected as possible to Italy (to not get dragged into the stuff there as happened IOTL)... acually, I need to read up on what actually happened, but as vague suggestion this is already good :p
 
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